Everton Fans Panel

[msb]

A complete media wankfest over nothing. Everton have had a number of surveys over the last few years and each one of them asked similar questions - some improvements at Goodison came about because of those surveys.

My guess is that Everton need to conduct customer surveys to comply with some award or other, same as my company do to comply with IiP or ISO and Dow Jones Sustainability Index. Everyone knows what the outcome will be, but they have to be seen to be doing it.

The board are in no doubt what we think of Allardyce, whether they do something about it, is another matter altogether. I am praying to everything that is Holy, that they sack him today. If they are really dithering, tomorrow.

 

[bluestevon]

..my concern is that this sets a precedent. If the club do it now do they do it at the end of every season. There are times when it pays to stay with a manager (I’m not advocating that now), had this happened at a time in the 80s Howard Kendall might have been shown the door.

The owner should’ve had a strategy in mind when he appointed Allardyce. Perhaps that strategy was for a stable 18months whilst the ground build developed. Perhaps he now senses the disquiet and wants to gauge feeling, I think i’d prefer it if he just did what he feels is the right thing to do.

Thingvus mate, survey or no survey, Kendall here now and given a replica scenario of what occured for example would have failed at that point, it's a different footballing workd in terms of media coverage, social media and player power.

A fair few past great managers at clubs also would have suffered s similar fate, maybe even Ferguson. Think how close both came to the sack back then, think about how quicker clubs act now, pretty obvious neither would have survived long enough to do what they did, and ultimately with the changes landscape of the game maybe even with that time the results wouldn't have been the same as they where of there time as managers so to speak.

 

[Eggs]

Thingvus mate, survey or no survey, Kendall here now and given a replica scenario of what occured for example would have failed at that point, it's a different footballing workd in terms of media coverage, social media and player power.

A fair few past great managers at clubs also would have suffered s similar fate, maybe even Ferguson. Think how close both came to the sack back then, think about how quicker clubs act now, pretty obvious neither would have survived long enough to do what they did, and ultimately with the changes landscape of the game maybe even with that time the results wouldn't have been the same as they where of there time as managers so to speak.

..it is a different world and the likes of Chelsea are an illustration the regular managerial change need not mean a slippery slope. It is an indication, though, that it some times pays for an owner to stick with a manager if he feels there is light at the end of the tunnel. As I said, i’m not advocating that with Allardyce but I think I would prefer Moshiri to act on his own initiative. It will be interesting if this is an annual survey.

 

[anton66]

Shock result from the "selected fan's panel" Everyone gave sam 9/10. That's apart from the ones who gave him 0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8 or 10.

 

[blue61]

A complete media wankfest over nothing. Everton have had a number of surveys over the last few years and each one of them asked similar questions - some improvements at Goodison came about because of those surveys.

My guess is that Everton need to conduct customer surveys to comply with some award or other, same as my company do to comply with IiP or ISO and Dow Jones Sustainability Index. Everyone knows what the outcome will be, but they have to be seen to be doing it.

The board are in no doubt what we think of Allardyce, whether they do something about it, is another matter altogether. I am praying to everything that is Holy, that they sack him today. If they are really dithering, tomorrow.

Indeed, however in all the previous surveys, I can't recall being asked my opinion about the management team which is what people are picking up on.

 

[kenada_blue]

It really doesn't mate, questionnaires where the questioner already knows the projected results are not uncommon, they give a mandate to those asking to ring changes.

Will give an example - the vast majority seem to be pleased with being able to respond - it's a microcosm i know but check social media - blues seem more positive and more unified from this one simple questionnaire than I've seen in a year or more, if the results are used to endorse club changes such as Allardyce, Elstone, Walsh and other all moving on soon - then it will massively reconnect club and fans from again just a simple questionnaire that they already knew the results before it was created.

If another club did it - no i wouldn't slate them for it mate, the likes of Ashley, the Venkies, Sullivan and Gold have consistently ignored any input from fans, concerns or opinions, the very worst owners don't bother and just do what they want without any input or consultation.

Ask the fans of any club in this league would they love it if they did this at their club, and be shocked if there wouldn't be huge support for the idea


What this is doing, is saying - does the club need to change, which areas does it need to change in, almost certainly this is known already to those who will be responsible for those changes, but this gives them the assurance of the backing of the match going fans - which for any business making changes which will be supported by your core customers and supporters is gold-dust

Not for me.

Just look on forums for some absolute mind bending fan "opinions" sometimes.

Just shows a lack of clarity for me from above.

 

[billyblue80]

..it is a different world and the likes of Chelsea are an illustration the regular managerial change need not mean a slippery slope. It is an indication, though, that it some times pays for an owner to stick with a manager if he feels there is light at the end of the tunnel. As I said, i’m not advocating that with Allardyce but I think I would prefer Moshiri to act on his own initiative. It will be interesting if this is an annual survey.

Yes I agree sometimes it does. But I suspect Moshiri is already looking to restructure the whole club and politically this survey will help him do that, it gives him a mandate. Its not like he doesn't know what the answers will be. He obviously wants to remove Elstone, Kenwright and Walsh from day to day roles, hopefully Big Sam too. Also someone mentioned the players being the issue, they are in the survey too. I think it's refreshing for too long Everton have been poor at consulting the fans or even letting us know what's happening. As has been pointed out we have lost our identity as a club I hope this is the first step to us finding it again.

 

[kenada_blue]

Barca and RM give out a very similar survey every season and they ask who they should buy, it’s nothing new, it’s only news cos we hate Sam, if he was 4th no one would care

An ego driven fantasy football survey with two clubs who can buy anyone you mean?

Have they done one for their multiple managers over the years? No. RM gonna do one for Zidane and their awful league campaign? No.

 

[everton1953]

EFC told me all ST holders were emailed with an invitation to complete the survey, so that is me goosed as I seem to have lost mine. I have offered to give Sam 9/10 if they let me participate.

 

[degsy]

Yes I agree sometimes it does. But I suspect Moshiri is already looking to restructure the whole club and politically this survey will help him do that, it gives him a mandate. Its not like he doesn't know what the answers will be. He obviously wants to remove Elstone, Kenwright and Walsh from day to day roles, hopefully Big Sam too. Also someone mentioned the players being the issue, they are in the survey too. I think it's refreshing for too long Everton have been poor at consulting the fans or even letting us know what's happening. As has been pointed out we have lost our identity as a club I hope this is the first step to us finding it again.

Until we know who wrote the questions, either of the 2 factions could be happy or sad if the results are acted upon...whatever they are.

 

[mkrudden]

Speculation on my part,
I reckon the club has spoken to Sam about this idea that real fans are behind him and negativity is just coming from social media.
"Do you mind if we do a survey?"
Sam being the way he is probably replied he was fine with it.

 

[bluestevon]

Not for me.

Just look on forums for some absolute mind bending fan "opinions" sometimes.

Just shows a lack of clarity for me from above.

Yup and a full questionnaire sent to 35k+ season ticket and fan card holders will produce a set of results which renders the mind bending fan opinions irrelevant compared to the mean average result which is what they will want to see.

Will tell you now, Martinez got the push not because of fan forums etc, but because a smallish group where very vocal and highly visible, and effectively vocalised the general ferling of the masses, you could say in lots if cases that's what clubs act because of,

This way they are garnering the feeling from the majority. Can only be a good thing imo.

 

[catcherintherye]

Thingvus mate, survey or no survey, Kendall here now and given a replica scenario of what occured for example would have failed at that point, it's a different footballing workd in terms of media coverage, social media and player power.

A fair few past great managers at clubs also would have suffered s similar fate, maybe even Ferguson. Think how close both came to the sack back then, think about how quicker clubs act now, pretty obvious neither would have survived long enough to do what they did, and ultimately with the changes landscape of the game maybe even with that time the results wouldn't have been the same as they where of there time as managers so to speak.

I am not certain re Kendall, and as yet it hasn't been done mid season, by the end of that season I'm convinced Kendall passes. Likewise I remember polls done on Moyes on various forums when we struggled and he rarely went below 70% of fan supporting him. Many of the 70% were quite critical, but generally still didn't want him sacked.

It took until right at the end under Martinez and in honesty probably spurred on by the option of huge Moshiri money to get rid of him.

Allardyce is a very bad fit and people can see no long term viability in it. At no point has he tried to buck that trend, with loaning lads like Lookman out, starting Martina over Kenny or not giving fringe players a chance. He has re-enforced the perception he is here for the short term. It makes no difference whether we finish 8th or 14th now, and we would get far more value testing lads like Vlasic, Klaassen etc and seeing if they were ready for next season, but to Allardyce it makes enormous difference for 2 reasons. Firstly on his cv he can state he got a top half finish for a relegation certainty side (which is how he and his mates will frame it come the next job). And secondly he will use it to attack the club, "sacked for finishing 8th" sounds a lot more harsh than "sacked for finishing 14th". A disproportionate amount of his decisions and moves are related to his image management so this will be vitally important to him.

Whether this trend continues once Kenwright is gone we will not know. I think it's important if/when Allardyce is sacked the club make it clear it is not to do with the fans filling out the questionnaire. What is also important is they send a clear message, whoever the next manager is that they are here for the long term. If it's Fonseca, get the guy on a 5 year deal, make a big thing of it, lead people in that he is a long term choice and people will follow.

Then if they get Brands, make it clear he is now in charge of recruitment of managers going forward. Considering Brands' comments of late, I suspect a lot may depend on that. Currently we have a bizarre situation where 3 men partake in different roles of the DOF. Walsh, Kenwright and Moshiri all fulfil functions of a DOF. I can see why Brands will think adding him as a 4th guy in the role will likely not improve things. Kenwright needs to be moved on, Walsh needs to be given a strictly scouting brief and Moshiri needs to but out of the football side and ensure his role is holding the DOF and new CEO to account as well as making sure the stadium is progressing.

 

[leslad]

should never ask 'the people' anything, the people can't be trusted

 

[MrGrumpy]

Speculation on my part,
I reckon the club has spoken to Sam about this idea that real fans are behind him and negativity is just coming from social media.
"Do you mind if we do a survey?"
Sam being the way he is probably replied he was fine with it.

Wait till his presser when he says he got 30k 10/10 and 15 0 off social media muppets