Everton 10th most depressing team to support in England right now.

[dancing llama]

I just don't see it. I get that things are terrible. I haven't missed a home game for going on twenty years and go regurly away so I feel the same sense of endless disappointment and I get why everyone is so depressed. I just don't think we've got it as bad as some on here obviously do.

I get where you're coming from but forget the whole swapping positions thing because, y'know, that never happens.

Right now we count as a depressing club as we went from looking nice and cheerful at the start of the season, to utter gash, with a load of lows along the way. But with a few changes we could be totally turned around and in a few months I might be all happy and cheerful again. This is just a list right now and I think we fully deserve to be on it. Please just let me wallow in misery until Sam gets booted.

 

[dancing llama]

I feel I need to point out that I am nowhere near as glum as my posts might make me out to be, as long as I don't think about Everton too much lol

 

[TraffordBlue]

You've spectacularly missed the point again. In fact I don't think you understood the point of the list to begin with. You're basically just saying the most depressing club in the country is the one at the very bottom of the football pyramid and that's that. Then it's just a rising scale of happiness until you get to Man City. Ridiculous logic, there are loads of factors you have to take into account.

I don't think he is, and I agree with his use of the word self-pity. It's even more relevant to Arsenal.

It is a very frustrating time to be an Everton fan at the moment, but our fans need a sense of perspective and to think of things outside of their Evertonian bubble. I can think of some differing examples to fall in line with the 'it's all relative argument' that often gets used. And these aren't just the ones at the very bottom of the football pyramid.

Blackburn Rovers - They have won a league title more recently than us. They've been an absolute shambles since the Venkys took over and they've lost their identity. They have just been promoted from League 1. They are a founder member of the football league and not a league 1/Championship level club.

West Brom - About to be relegated while their biggest rivals have just been promoted and are talking of splashing £30m+ on Butland.

Leeds - have won as many titles as us in the last 50 years, winning their most recent in 1992. They have been rotting in the lower leagues for well over a decade.

Portsmouth - Won an FA Cup and were playing the likes of AC Milan not so long ago and have recently fallen as low as the 4th tier. They have 2 league titles to their name as well, while their rivals were on an upward trajectory with a top 6 finish recently.

Derby/Nottingham Forest - 2 big clubs in the 70's had to endure East Midlands rival Leicester winning the league in 2016 and getting to the QF of the CL while they rot in the Championship.

Meanwhile, we are currently 8th and have enjoyed trips to France, Croatia and Italy this season. Beat Man City 4-0 last season, and have a new stadium to look forward to. We are now also able to spend £20-£45m on new players. This season has been a huge disappointment but our place in the top 10 is ridiculous.

 

[MikeH72]

I don't think he is, and I agree with his use of the word self-pity. It's even more relevant to Arsenal.

It is a very frustrating time to be an Everton fan at the moment, but our fans need a sense of perspective and to think of things outside of their Evertonian bubble. I can think of some differing examples to fall in line with the 'it's all relative argument' that often gets used. And these aren't just the ones at the very bottom of the football pyramid.

Blackburn Rovers - They have won a league title more recently than us. They've been an absolute shambles since the Venkys took over and they've lost their identity. They have just been promoted from League 1. They are a founder member of the football league and not a league 1/Championship level club.

West Brom - About to be relegated while their biggest rivals have just been promoted and are talking of splashing £30m+ on Butland.

Leeds - have won as many titles as us in the last 50 years, winning their most recent in 1992. They have been rotting in the lower leagues for well over a decade.

Portsmouth - Won an FA Cup and were playing the likes of AC Milan not so long ago and have recently fallen as low as the 4th tier. They have 2 league titles to their name as well, while their rivals were on an upward trajectory with a top 6 finish recently.

Derby/Nottingham Forest - 2 big clubs in the 70's had to endure East Midlands rival Leicester winning the league in 2016 and getting to the QF of the CL while they rot in the Championship.

Meanwhile, we are currently 8th and have enjoyed trips to France, Croatia and Italy this season. Beat Man City 4-0 last season, and have a new stadium to look forward to. We are now also able to spend £20-£45m on new players. This season has been a huge disappointment but our place in the top 10 is ridiculous.

I don't think anyone is saying we're more depressing than those clubs you mentioned. But we're 10th on the list, and I think that's appropriate. @Gwladysstreetlad is basically saying that the list is nonsense because we're 8th in the Premier League and loads of clubs would love to be there, which is true but that's not the be all and end all for a club being depressing to support. For example, it's a much happier time to be a Wigan fan than it is to be an Everton fan, one has just been promoted from League 1 and the other is still in the top 10 in the Premier League. It is all relative.

 

[TraffordBlue]

I don't think anyone is saying we're more depressing than those clubs you mentioned. But we're 10th on the list, and I think that's appropriate. @Gwladysstreetlad is basically saying that the list is nonsense because we're 8th in the Premier League and loads of clubs would love to be there, which is true but that's not the be all and end all for a club being depressing to support. For example, it's a much happier time to be a Wigan fan than it is to be an Everton fan, one has just been promoted from League 1 and the other is still in the top 10 in the Premier League. It is all relative.

Do see what you're saying to an extent, although wouldn't agree that overall us being in the top 10 is appropriate. There will be Wigan fans who disagree with you. They enjoyed a decade in the Premier League not so long ago, they won an FA Cup, played in Europe, and got to a League Cup Final. From experiencing those highs they've then dropped down to the 3rd tier, and know that next season they will probably struggle to stay in the Championship.

There are also those clubs that I mentioned who have had far bigger falls than we have. For example, our peak is 1st, and last season we were 7th, this season 8th. Blackburn's peak was 1st in 95 and now they have dropped to League 1 (just been promoted back up but struggling in the 2nd tier next season is way beneath their standing as a club). Villa and Forest - European Cup Winners who are in the 2nd tier.

Then there are clubs like West Ham and Newcastle whose fans want far more but haven't seen a trophy win for decades (longer than we've gone).

 

[MikeH72]

Do see what you're saying to an extent, although wouldn't agree that overall us being in the top 10 is appropriate. There will be Wigan fans who disagree with you. They enjoyed a decade in the Premier League not so long ago, they won an FA Cup, played in Europe, and got to a League Cup Final. From experiencing those highs they've then dropped down to the 3rd tier, and know that next season they will probably struggle to stay in the Championship.

There are also those clubs that I mentioned who have had far bigger falls than we have. For example, our peak is 1st, and last season we were 7th, this season 8th. Blackburn's peak was 1st in 95 and now they have dropped to League 1 (just been promoted back up but struggling in the 2nd tier next season is way beneath their standing as a club). Villa and Forest - European Cup Winners who are in the 2nd tier.

Then there are clubs like West Ham and Newcastle whose fans want far more but haven't seen a trophy win for decades (longer than we've gone).

Wigan's level is League 1/Championship, I've never heard of a Wigan fan that said they'd swap that FA Cup win for a few more seasons in the Premier League. That trophy win on its own means their recent history is nowhere near as miserable as ours.

Not denying Blackburn are a more depressing club to support. Likewise Leeds, Portsmouth, Sunderland, Villa etc.

Newcastle and West Ham are pretty depressing to support. However, they don't have the added cherry on top of having illustrious neighbours waiting in the wings to rub every single failure in their faces from now until the end of time. That's a huge factor in us being so depressing to support, and it's just an accident of geography that can never be changed.

 

[TraffordBlue]

Wigan's level is League 1/Championship, I've never heard of a Wigan fan that said they'd swap that FA Cup win for a few more seasons in the Premier League. That trophy win on its own means their recent history is nowhere near as miserable as ours.

Not denying Blackburn are a more depressing club to support. Likewise Leeds, Portsmouth, Sunderland, Villa etc.

Newcastle and West Ham are pretty depressing to support. However, they don't have the added cherry on top of having illustrious neighbours waiting in the wings to rub every single failure in their faces from now until the end of time. That's a huge factor in us being so depressing to support, and it's just an accident of geography that can never be changed.

Agree there. Although it must be tough for West Ham fans in London surrounded by Chelsea, Arsenal and Spurs fans who have all had very good teams with a lot of recent success in Chelsea and Arsenal's case. They thought the move to the new Stadium was going to push them on and we all know how that's turned out.

 

[MikeH72]

Agree there. Although it must be tough for West Ham fans in London surrounded by Chelsea, Arsenal and Spurs fans who have all had very good teams with a lot of recent success in Chelsea and Arsenal's case. They thought the move to the new Stadium was going to push them on and we all know how that's turned out.

Oh yeah, but all those clubs have their own big rivalries so don't really have the time or energy to mock West Ham. Arsenal, Spurs and Chelsea are locked into their own little triangle of hate, West Ham's main rivals are Millwall who are worse than them so at least they've got that. Being a West Ham fan is massively grim at the minute though, I don't doubt that.

 

[havrey0123]

It's not just here it's everyone below 6th. The gap between the top 6 and the rest is the biggest it's probably ever been in terms of quality. Just 5 seasons ago you could go down the league and most teams had 2 or 3 half decent players. Now the top 6 take who they want and the scraps are left over for everyone else. This isn't just happening here it's all over the big leagues.

At the moment the cash is spread evenly over the league, if this trend continues within 5 seasons I can see the top 6 saying pay us more or else we will create our own super league with clubs across Europe.
It was banded about to create a super league about 10 years ago, if the trend continues the way it's going I can easily see one being created.

 

[BernieWright13]

I think we can expect to rocket a few places up that table after tonight's events in Italy

 

[Tubey]

What a stupid list. Arsenal?

 

[chrismpw]

What's up at North Ferriby United?

In fact, who are they?

 

[toffeemax]

Quite a bizarre article, I mean what contributes to depressing? Newcastle and West Ham have been trophy-less (excluding intertoto cup and championship titles) for far longer than us. Arsenal have won 3 Fa cups on the spin yet somehow reside in the top 10? Also, if you're going as far down as North Ferriby United why not just go the whole hog and look at my old saturday league team who went a season losing every game bar one, which was a draw.

 

[Eggsyblueskin]

Erm, are people really getting upset about our place in a lighthearted , tongue in cheek poll ?
Evertonians are the salt of the earth but we can get a bit over sensitive sometimes.

 

[Tel001]

We can't even get top 4 in this table? I don't believe that for a second ...