Match Thread Everton 1-3 Sunderland Sunday 17th May 15:00

[brittcop1]

Nothing wrong with Moyes being honest about that - anyone with two braincells already knows it. Unless you're coming up from the lower leagues or it's your only step into the Prem, why would anyone want to come to the least relevant "big" team in the north west that has spent the last few years circling the drain and hasn't opened it's trophy cabnet once in the lifetime of most players. I can completely understand why most players want to go elsewhere if they have the option.

Mate...a manager in 2026 is supposed to be more than an old fart in a tracksuit with the word Gaffer on the back. Its leadership 101. If you work for an outfit where your boss speaks publically week in and week out how youre really not that good and maybe next year when he brings in fresh faces we can be better and throws players under the bus but never says " I messed up" but instead talks up the opposition and their players, no way, deep down are you going to have the belief in yourself and your team or the desire to fight for your manager when the going gets tough. You will never say it publically but that is the difference between a professional team that shows up occasionally and a team that over achieves and leaves it on the field..inspired leadership. You can argue Moyes was that man once but there is zero evidence that he or any of his staff are that, in 2026.

 

[ToffeeTim]

Mate, I am laughing because it’s true; they looked thoroughly disinterested from start to finish, with woeful decision making threw in.

I am struggling for a MOTM choice because we’re choosing from a very low standard: slow, gutless football and movement.

What was O’Brien doing for their second? The third, they’re all to blame.

The only possible benefit of playing O Brien out if position at RB is his aerial strength. And he couldn't score a free header from 5 yards

 

[Titus Shambles]

The season's finished for me now. I won't be watching Spurs give us a final drubbing

5-0. Richarlison hattrick. Then we re-sign him in the summer for £30m. You heard it hear first...

 

[Paul Rideout]

It’s been there for the taking for months. Every time, we come up short. Simply put, we really don’t deserve Europe and it’s crazy we’re even close.

But yet we’ve put the same team out every week, with Rohl for McNeil and Tim for Gana, and a defense that ships goals for fun.

 

[Mr Happy]

But yet we’ve put the same team out every week, with Rohl for McNeil and Tim for Gana, and a defense that ships goals for fun.

*defence

 

[mistuhp]

I'd love Glasner to be here. He's always pushing his employers to do more, to be better, as opposed to always making excuses for them (and himself). He's also won major trophies. He'd flame out here like he does everywhere but hopefully changes the culture in the process. Unfortunately, we're stuck with David Moyes' slugball for another year.

The anti-Glasner narratives I've seen floating around are always like, "He doesn't get along with upper management and leaves clubs for bigger ones!" Yeah and in each case his "not getting along with upper management" is literally management selling his best players and not replacing them well, resulting in him leaving. Which is what confident high quality managers do!

 

[Paul Rideout]

*defence

*pedant (thx)

 

[Bluepablo]

Grim, 31% possession so far at home against a promoted team.

If he does we will have to score three goals to win - vault me!

Vaulted! Four were required.

 

[Rooney_Tunes]

5-0. Richarlison hattrick. Then we re-sign him in the summer for £30m. You heard it hear first...

You are wrong though.

The first signing will be Soucek, then Richarlison...70% of our transfer budget gone because, you know, you have to sign experience.

 

[DualityNSNO]

We was completely in the race for various European competitions until Liverpool onwards where we kept dropping points late on.

Wouldn't say a long time ago. Its very recently that we dropped the truly fumbled the bag.

We dropped the ball and our pants as a team with the game against Brentford, who are direct competitors for Europe - win there and it's 100% on. Instead we went in looking like we didn't even want to try and win, despite managing to snatch a draw from them. Knew as soon as we bottled that that Europe was a pipedream.

Then the "well, if results go our way and those lose and the others win and a meteor drops at the 3rd team's stadium, we might be able to just about squeeze in to Europe" - nah lad, win at Brentford and WHAM and we'd be 6th before this game, potentially even drawing today and vs Spurs would've been enough for Europe in some capacity.

 

[windymiller]

The anti-Glasner narratives I've seen floating around are always like, "He doesn't get along with upper management and leaves clubs for bigger ones!" Yeah and in each case his "not getting along with upper management" is literally management selling his best players and not replacing them well, resulting in him leaving. Which is what confident high quality managers do!

It's crazy, they're basically saying they would rather have someone happy with the status quo but cool with the bosses than someone who doesn't care who he annoys in his pursuit of progress. It's quite the take!

 

[brittcop1]

The ONLY thing that is making me madder than Moyes still being our manager, is listening to and reading all the lazy, cowardly and honestly useless media saying what a BRILLIANT job Moyes has and is doing and how he is perfect for Everton and the fans! Absolutely patronizing, condescending and so wrong!

 

[Moomin]

I'm just glad we played a Sunderland team on the slide and was on the beach.

 

[woodsyni]

I feckin' HATE the way we do that when we go ahead! I like Moyes as a person, grateful for steadying us but Jaysus, please save us from another season of this safety first sh*the!!!!

Which turns out not to be "safe" in any way whatsoever! Raging!!!!

 

[Titus Shambles]

Mate...a manager in 2026 is supposed to be more than an old fart in a tracksuit with the word Gaffer on the back. Its leadership 101. If you work for an outfit where your boss speaks publically week in and week out how youre really not that good and maybe next year when he brings in fresh faces we can be better and throws players under the bus but never says " I messed up" but instead talks up the opposition and their players, no way, deep down are you going to have the belief in yourself and your team or the desire to fight for your manager when the going gets tough. You will never say it publically but that is the difference between a professional team that shows up occasionally and a team that over achieves and leaves it on the field..inspired leadership. You can argue Moyes was that man once but there is zero evidence that he or any of his staff are that, in 2026.

There's certainly a valid point in there about inspired leadership, I don't dispute that; and maybe it's something Moyes probably shouldn't have said in the cold light of day - but again: he's not wrong. Top players go to top clubs, and we aren't that. We aren't selling the club with a VHS tape of 1986 or a tour around a building a player will be working in 19 times a year.

The real issue for me isn't Moyes saying we can't attract the players he/we/theclub wanted, it's that our competition like Brighton and Bournemouth *can* go and get excellent players because they have an excellent plan for scouting and recruitment yet we don't. Last summer seemed very mix-n-match; execs arriving part way through the window etc. This summer will be the real litmus test as to whether these so-called top execs can do what their competitors seem to be able to do with ease.