Current Affairs EU In or Out

In or Out

  • In

    Votes: 688 67.9%

  • Out

    Votes: 325 32.1%
  • Total voters
    1,013
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1966efc said:
Tried to distill this into a succinct question. Failed.

So here's the long winded one: how many Commons seats will May lose if she allows Brexit to be thwarted? How many will she lose if she pushes it through?

How many seats will Labour lose if it is seen to be undermining Brexit?

Looking at the electoral map and polling, the "It's in your best interests" remainers are on a catastrophic path.
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I think this is the realpolitik situation......
 
The Esk said:
You were spot on Roydo. From top to bottom this is a complete and utter mess.
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Not really. It's only the remainers who are trying to make a mess of this. The government are moving forward slowly and deliberately. The Trump success only strengthens their hand. We have a few remain politicians and their supporters shouting it's a mess it's all going wrong, when in fact it is just moving forward as it should........
 
Bruce Wayne said:
Mrs May had hoped to focus on trade and investment. The Indian ministers and business people she met with, however, were fully aware that Britain will be in no position to negotiate significant bilateral deals until it has sorted out its disentanglement from the European Union.

India’s government, meanwhile, has shown scant interest in trade deals. Talks on a free-trade agreement with the EU that began in 2007 have been stalled since 2013. India last year shied away from joining the Trans-Pacific Partnership (which now itself looks doomed). And earlier this year Delhi told 57 countries that it wishes to scrap and renegotiate its bilateral investment-protection treaties with them. Its new “model” treaty would compel foreign investors to seek redress in India’s clogged courts before doing it via international arbitration.

Rather than freer trade with Britain, what Indian officials pressed for was greater freedom of movement. Small wonder. During Mrs May’s six-year tenure as home secretary, the number of Indian students in British universities plummeted from 68,000 to 12,000, largely due to her tightening of visa rules. To Mrs May’s discomfort those rules tightened further a few days before her visit. Foreign companies will now find it harder to bring over staff for short-term postings in their British subsidiaries; Indian tech firms had accounted for 90% of migrants in one of the affected categories.

“It seems that the UK is mainly interested in greater market access for its goods in India and in getting investments from India, but not in attracting talented Indian services professionals and students,” sniffed Nirmala Sitharaman, a minister with portfolios in trade and finance. Narendra Modi, India’s prime minister, was just as blunt. Education, he declared at a public meeting with Mrs May, would “define our engagement in a shared future.”

http://www.economist.com/news/brita...nded-her-first-long-haul-jaunt-cooler-climate

So India are rolling back trade deals around the world, and are more interested in their students and workers coming here than in any trade deal.

Ideology meet real world.
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No Bruce you are again clutching at straws to further your opposition to the out vote. Why can you not face up to facts. The majority of the people who voted indicated leave the EU, that is a fact! in the real world.
 
Toffeelover said:
No Bruce you are again clutching at straws to further your opposition to the out vote. Why can you not face up to facts. The majority of the people who voted indicated leave the EU, that is a fact! in the real world.
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As we're frequently told in this thread, a central plank of Brexit was that trade would go up with the rest of the world, and immigration would go down (when we're 'in control' of both). This trip to India suggests that India is much keener on immigration to Britain going up than it is on any kind of free trade deal with us (or anyone else). Are you saying that's an outcome you would welcome?
 
peteblue said:
Not really. It's only the remainers who are trying to make a mess of this. The government are moving forward slowly and deliberately. The Trump success only strengthens their hand. We have a few remain politicians and their supporters shouting it's a mess it's all going wrong, when in fact it is just moving forward as it should........
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It's a total mess.

The referendum offered as a sop to the Conservative right fearful of UKIP winning seats at Westminster.

An appalling referendum campaign by all sides.

The referendum question posed more questions than answers.

Boris.

The power vacuum immediately after the referendum.

The lack of planning and strategy in the event of a 'Leave' vote.

The confusion about what leaving the EU means, single market, customs union, EFTA membership?

May's Brexit stance, 'Brexit means Brexit', no roll for Parliament until A50 is agreed.

Confusion on who can trigger Article 50 and whether it can be revoked.

Poor legal representation of Government at High court.

Which ever way you look at it, the Government have been totally inept on this matter from the point they decided to call the referendum.
 
aye, almost like a self-fulfilling prophecy.


peteblue said:
Not really. It's only the remainers who are trying to make a mess of this. The government are moving forward slowly and deliberately. The Trump success only strengthens their hand. We have a few remain politicians and their supporters shouting it's a mess it's all going wrong, when in fact it is just moving forward as it should........
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