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[The Esk]

You will thank us one day for blocking Brexit.

 

[orchard]

You will thank us one day for blocking Brexit.

Ah, so now you want to block brexit rather than have parliamentary approval of how it's going to be effected? Just because yourself, @brucewayne,and the good intellectual residents of Brighton wish it so?

 

[Joey66]

You will thank us one day for blocking Brexit.

Not when the EU crashes and burns then you will thank us for not having to bail the mess out!

 

[SNova]

You will thank us one day for blocking Brexit.

I'm sure we will because it will lead to a non-establishment right wing government.

 

[Joey66]

MPs exist to represent their constituency, so I'd fully expect the 3 MPs for my borough to do that, and as 70% voted to remain, they should surely act accordingly? Likewise the MPs for Manchester, Liverpool, Oxford, Cambridge, Bristol, Bath, Brighton, Leeds, York, Edinburgh, Glasgow and Cardiff, each and every one of whom saw a majority vote to remain. Indeed, the capital cities of each of the four nations of the United Kingdom all voted to remain. So you could easily argue that the economic, scientific and intellectual (in terms of universities) bulk of the country voted differently to what is about to happen.

The very notion that this should be brushed aside is preposterous.

yes and if the referendum had been done on the GE constitution in seats Bruce, get your facts right please your googling seems to have gone haywire over 400 in favour of out seats to 200 what a majority that is hey for democracy ?????????????............................

 

[Bruce Wayne]

yes and if the referendum had been done on the GE constitution in seats Bruce, get your facts right please your googling seems to have gone haywire over 400 in favour of out seats to 200 what a majority that is hey for democracy ?????????????............................

Those are facts Joe. In each of those cities, plus of course London, remain voters were in the majority. Indeed, in London, Belfast, Edinburgh, Oxford and Cambridge, the figure was over 70% remain. In addition to the cities mentioned above you can add Reading, Norwich, Guildford, Aberdeen, Falkirk, Winchester, Dundee, Exeter, Newcastle and Leicester. To suggest that these people don't matter somehow is not especially nice any more than your aspirations for the people of Europe to suffer.

Another interesting stat is that of the 30 districts with the fewest graduates per capita, 28 of them voted to leave, not that we can read anything into that.

 

[orchard]

What do you 'read into that' Bruce?

Those are facts Joe. In each of those cities, plus of course London, remain voters were in the majority. Indeed, in London, Belfast, Edinburgh, Oxford and Cambridge, the figure was over 70% remain. In addition to the cities mentioned above you can add Reading, Norwich, Guildford, Aberdeen, Falkirk, Winchester, Dundee, Exeter, Newcastle and Leicester. To suggest that these people don't matter somehow is not especially nice any more than your aspirations for the people of Europe to suffer.

Another interesting stat is that of the 30 districts with the fewest graduates per capita, 28 of them voted to leave, not that we can read anything into that.

 

[SNova]

 

[Joey66]

Those are facts Joe. In each of those cities, plus of course London, remain voters were in the majority. Indeed, in London, Belfast, Edinburgh, Oxford and Cambridge, the figure was over 70% remain. In addition to the cities mentioned above you can add Reading, Norwich, Guildford, Aberdeen, Falkirk, Winchester, Dundee, Exeter, Newcastle and Leicester. To suggest that these people don't matter somehow is not especially nice any more than your aspirations for the people of Europe to suffer.

Another interesting stat is that of the 30 districts with the fewest graduates per capita, 28 of them voted to leave, not that we can read anything into that.

Bruce what are you Googling look at this -
http://uk.businessinsider.com/nomura-2-charts-show-why-remain-mps-wont-oppose-brexit-2016-10

 

[Barnfred 55]

MPs exist to represent their constituency, so I'd fully expect the 3 MPs for my borough to do that, and as 70% voted to remain, they should surely act accordingly? Likewise the MPs for Manchester, Liverpool, Oxford, Cambridge, Bristol, Bath, Brighton, Leeds, York, Edinburgh, Glasgow and Cardiff, each and every one of whom saw a majority vote to remain. Indeed, the capital cities of each of the four nations of the United Kingdom all voted to remain. So you could easily argue that the economic, scientific and intellectual (in terms of universities) bulk of the country voted differently to what is about to happen.

The very notion that this should be brushed aside is preposterous.

I would fully expect all MPs to vote in accordance with their own electorate and I don't have a problem with this. In fact it's their duty. How this would pan out overall I've no idea. The "remain" side would get a boost in Scotland where there is a disproportionate number of MPs per capita. However the converse is true in Greater London, the other big supporter of remain, where the MPs per capita is, I believe, the lowest in the country. @Joey66 in a previous post had given figures that showed "leave" would have had a big majority if the vote had taken place under normal electoral rules, but I'm not sure where he got this information from and how accurate it is.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

What do you 'read into that' Bruce?

That folk are easy to wind up

 

[Tubey]

That folk are easy to wind up

Could just call a spade a spade mate - people with a lack of education vote for stupid things.

 

[orchard]

That folk are easy to wind up

So now it's back to parody?

Okay then, at least we know

 

[Joey66]

I would fully expect all MPs to vote in accordance with their own electorate and I don't have a problem with this. In fact it's their duty. How this would pan out overall I've no idea. The "remain" side would get a boost in Scotland where there is a disproportionate number of MPs per capita. However the converse is true in Greater London, the other big supporter of remain, where the MPs per capita is, I believe, the lowest in the country. @Joey66 in a previous post had given figures that showed "leave" would have had a big majority if the vote had taken place under normal electoral rules, but I'm not sure where he got this information from and how accurate it is.

googled it like Brucie Babe
every site i put in gave the same massive majority of MPs if the vote against article 50 their constituamts may not for give them in a GE!

 

[Tubey]

googled it like Brucie Babe
every site i put in gave the same massive majority of MPs if the vote against article 50 their constituamts may not for give them in a GE!

And that's fine. The MPs should vote to represent their constituents.

That said, given that no constituent has been asked to vote on the terms of Brexit, the MPs should also vote in the interests of their constituents.

So two options - either give the MPs a vote on the concrete terms of Brexit so as to do their jobs and look out for the interests of their constituents, or have a second referendum with the full terms known.

Right now, all we have had a referendum on is "should we leave the European Union" - but not how and on what terms.