Current Affairs EU In or Out

[Pienaar's gloves]

Yes if we were going to be still members we would get dragged in to a massive bail out - after signing article 50 we can start negotiating with the EU and 133 other countries in the WTO with no license to bail the defunct EU out its a house of cards once we go more will follow early days , but it goes against what the remoaners predicted!

Another lie.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36456277

The claim: The Vote Leave campaign is claiming that "UK taxpayers will keep paying for the huge bills caused by the euro crisis" and that "these bills will only increase".

Reality Check verdict: The UK will not pay for future eurozone bailouts. This has already been agreed by EU leaders. In addition, the UK-EU deal from February, which will be implemented if the UK votes to stay in the EU, reinforces this and states that the UK would be reimbursed if the general EU budget is used for the cost of the eurozone crisis.

 

[Pienaar's gloves]

I feel by then deals will be signed and sealed in principle like Nissan TBH when our farmers wanted brexit from the EU that was astounding because the first common market vote was mainly about the common agriculture and fishing policy grant!
Expect more positives to come the red tape will be binned our firms will thrive we are open for business already in London a silicon valley project is booming on IT!
we do not need a polictical dogma who tells us how to spend our contributions we send to them!
we end up 8.5 billion net loss each year!
Scientific projects will get protected, our farming industry will get protected more growth will eventually shine through, and in ten years time it will be stated thank goodness we left that lot ok for trade but not for a polictical union!

Ooh, another fib.

 

[tsubaki]

Another lie.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36456277

TBF that is not really a lie. "We will not contribute to a bailout" is quite different to "We will be reimbursed after a bailout, promise". If the Eurozone was that much in a hole, everyone in the EU would be required to contribute - either directly financially, or indirectly by "reforms" of one kind of another.

 

[Pienaar's gloves]

TBF that is not really a lie. "We will not contribute to a bailout" is quite different to "We will be reimbursed after a bailout, promise". If the Eurozone was that much in a hole, everyone in the EU would be required to contribute - either directly financially, or indirectly by "reforms" of one kind of another.

No it is, we wouldn't throw a penny at bailing out banks in the EU, his initial claim.

 

[Joey66]

getting boring now, might liven up with the German and Italian banks about to go tits up.

Ooh, another fib.

No fibs just better when we leave in 2 years time showing the EU we don't need them other than trade deals if we remain in the EU in time we would suffer its like buying a ticket for the Titanic!

 

[Pienaar's gloves]

No fibs just better when we leave in 2 years time showing the EU we don't need them other than trade deals if we remain in the EU in time we would suffer its like buying a ticket for the Titanic!

There is no evidence that the UK can afford to protect science and farming - if you know something that I don't then spell it out.

There is evidence (enshrined in law) to contradict that we will have to bail out any European banks.

 

[Old Blue 2]

I'll be honest. Yes. Yes I do.

Quite the worst post ever in this thread of 710 pages...

Unbelieveable...

 

[Joey66]

Another lie.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36456277

Why did we bail out Southern Ireland then years back to the tune of 9 billion why did the EU demand more funds when our growth figures were above the EUs DC claimed he would not pay it - He did!
While an austerity programme cripperlling the poor, and sick people in this country?
When the EU Polictical union say jump we jump roll on leaving the bully boys Zero growth current Polictical organistion

 

[Pienaar's gloves]

Why did we bail out Southern Ireland then years back to the tune of 9 billion why did the EU demand more funds when our growth figures were above the EUs DC claimed he would not pay it - He did!
While an austerity programme cripperlling the poor, and sick people in this country?

The United Kingdom's government (in Downing Street, SW1) chose to lend money to the Republic of Ireland. It had nothing to do with the EU.

You'd know that if you looked it up.

I won't be putting credibility into anything you say about 'horrible austerity' given that you want to vote Tory now.

 

[tsubaki]

Exactly! very early days.But the idea of Single Market access with border controls is a pipe dream.That only people like Gove could conjure up.

It isn't, really, You could make a very good argument for single market access with border controls; the relevant treaty clauses only talk about workers and nowhere does it say that a country cannot limit migration, providing it can be justified:

Article 45

(ex Article 39 TEC)

1. Freedom of movement for workers shall be secured within the Union.

2. Such freedom of movement shall entail the abolition of any discrimination based on nationality between workers of the Member States as regards employment, remuneration and other conditions of work and employment.

3. It shall entail the right, subject to limitations justified on grounds of public policy, public security or public health (emphasis added):

(a) to accept offers of employment actually made;

(b) to move freely within the territory of Member States for this purpose;

(c) to stay in a Member State for the purpose of employment in accordance with the provisions governing the employment of nationals of that State laid down by law, regulation or administrative action;

(d) to remain in the territory of a Member State after having been employed in that State, subject to conditions which shall be embodied in regulations to be drawn up by the Commission.

4. The provisions of this Article shall not apply to employment in the public service.

2. The Union shall offer its citizens an area of freedom, security and justice without internal frontiers, in which the free movement of persons is ensured in conjunction with appropriate measures with respect to external border controls, asylum, immigration and the prevention and combating of crime. (emphasis added)

It is actually EU caselaw and EC directives that have expanded it to everyone, and included benefit claimants. I would expect the deal that emerges from the negotations, if they ever take place, to retreat to that sort of position (ie: people from the EU can come here to work, or to study / visit, but not to just settle).

 

[Joey66]

The United Kingdom's government (in Downing Street, SW1) chose to lend money to the Republic of Ireland. It had nothing to do with the EU.

You'd know that if you looked it up.

I won't be putting credibility into anything you say about 'horrible austerity' given that you want to vote Tory now.

Where will your Polictical view money come from the big money tree growing in the garden at the back of Corbyns house?

 

[orchard]

There is no evidence that the UK can afford to protect science and farming - if you know something that I don't then spell it out.

There is evidence (enshrined in law) to contradict that we will have to bail out any European banks.

Protecting farming and/or science would, firstly, make WTO negotiations
Interesting, and secondly, contradict the Tory story.

 

[tsubaki]

No it is, we wouldn't throw a penny at bailing out banks in the EU, his initial claim.

Perhaps, though I was responding to the specific quote you cited. If the Eurozone was in a crisis, and we were part of the EU, we would find ourselves paying to fix it.

 

[Joey66]

The United Kingdom's government (in Downing Street, SW1) chose to lend money to the Republic of Ireland. It had nothing to do with the EU.

You'd know that if you looked it up.

I won't be putting credibility into anything you say about 'horrible austerity' given that you want to vote Tory now.

Look up the money demand from the EU then as our growth was better than theirs we paid it

 

[Pienaar's gloves]

Look up the money demand from the EU then as our growth was better than theirs we paid it

I'm well aware Joey, I'm also aware that you're fibbing about a bilateral agreement between the UK and Ireland and pinning it on the European Union.

Where will your Polictical view money come from the big money tree growing in the garden at the back of Corbyns house?

Ending ideological austerity and investing in infrastructure, I have no idea why this is alien to you.