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Is he wrong though? I've no problem with people discussing the points he raises, but we seem to have fallen into this strange 'experts are bad' world that I can't fathom. I don't think anyone would suggest that experts are always right, but the current alternative seems to be to go instead with a lack of thought and evidence. If people were countering thought and research with thought and research then fine, but that isn't what Gove was saying at all, it was more 'thought and research is bad'. Utterly baffling.

Any person who claimed we should join the common currency is not an expert. They are in fact economically illiterate.

My gripe is more the fact that these so called experts are all so politically aligned. Economics and politics are not the same. And basing your politics on things which are proven economic myths is laughable. For instance the belief in the left of huge tax rates on the rich. Every economic indicator in history has shown that as rates go up receipts drop. Yet that's a popular policy for the left. Basically experts can't be experts if they are entwined in party politics.
 
1.'Experts are bad' potential causes:
A. Lots of people claim to be experts.
B. Funding feedback into genuine research establishments.
C. Those who extrapolate from scientific research, claiming that their conjectures/conclusions are entirely scientific.
D. Those who just dismiss arguments against their own position on those grounds.

2. Prima facie, his systemic description is okay, he, for example, failed to mention the average cost for CE accreditation, which is prohibitive and pertinent.

Is he wrong though? I've no problem with people discussing the points he raises, but we seem to have fallen into this strange 'experts are bad' world that I can't fathom. I don't think anyone would suggest that experts are always right, but the current alternative seems to be to go instead with a lack of thought and evidence. If people were countering thought and research with thought and research then fine, but that isn't what Gove was saying at all, it was more 'thought and research is bad'. Utterly baffling.
 
Well they interfere with everything else the left clim they provided us with workers rights which is only partially true !
I've got no idea what ur ona8out m8.
Sorry. I know it's a football forum, but in real life it's not a case of black or white, left or right, etc.
 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37670091

He really did take people for a ride didn't he? First he campaigned based on the apparent horrors of Turkey joining the EU, before advocating they do so as foreign secretary, now this.

"This is a market on our doorstep, ready for further exploitation by British firms," Mr Johnson wrote.

"The membership fee seems rather small for all that access.

"Why are we so determined to turn our back on it?"

Played for utter mugs.
 
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Thankfully he'd ran out of rohypnols before he got to mine.

I personally perceive him as a more intelligent Trump, exchanging empty words for political advantage, with no desire to do anything of the sort, merely head-up/direct a right wing government with the same disregard for accountability/democracy.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37670091

He really did take people for a ride didn't he? First he campaigned based on the apparent horrors of Turkey joining the EU, before advocating they do so as foreign secretary, now this.

"This is a market on our doorstep, ready for further exploitation by British firms," Mr Johnson wrote.

"The membership fee seems rather small for all that access.

"Why are we so determined to turn our back on it?"

Played for utter mugs.
 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37670091

He really did take people for a ride didn't he? First he campaigned based on the apparent horrors of Turkey joining the EU, before advocating they do so as foreign secretary, now this.

"This is a market on our doorstep, ready for further exploitation by British firms," Mr Johnson wrote.

"The membership fee seems rather small for all that access.

"Why are we so determined to turn our back on it?"

Played for utter mugs.

I think it's good that we have a Foreign Secretary that understands both sides of the argument........
 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37670091

He really did take people for a ride didn't he? First he campaigned based on the apparent horrors of Turkey joining the EU, before advocating they do so as foreign secretary, now this.

"This is a market on our doorstep, ready for further exploitation by British firms," Mr Johnson wrote.

"The membership fee seems rather small for all that access.

"Why are we so determined to turn our back on it?"

Played for utter mugs.

Boris will do what he has to do. He has the means and the necessary support to survive.
 
On the subject of 'experts'. At the drop of a hat experts are wheeled out on tv and radio. Problem I have is they all seem familiar. I've seen experts wheeled out as terrorism experts and I'm sure turn up as economic experts a few weeks later. I haven't followed this up with detailed research but hopefully some will get on to what I am saying.
There are obviously some who are credible who are professors and professionals, but some, you just have to accept the line at the bottom of the screen, which I don't.

Don't believe anything you're told, work it out for yourself, come to your own conclusions.
 
On the subject of 'experts'. At the drop of a hat experts are wheeled out on tv and radio. Problem I have is they all seem familiar. I've seen experts wheeled out as terrorism experts and I'm sure turn up as economic experts a few weeks later. I haven't followed this up with detailed research but hopefully some will get on to what I am saying.
There are obviously some who are credible who are professors and professionals, but some, you just have to accept the line at the bottom of the screen, which I don't.

Don't believe anything you're told, work it out for yourself, come to your own conclusions.
If you believe in that accept the referendum result then;)
I agree and gave you a like no way did I listen to boris and his bus crew as I knew the 350 million per week was propaganda even Farage said it was!
 
If you believe in that accept the referendum result then;)
I agree and gave you a like no way did I listen to boris and his bus crew as I knew the 350 million per week was propaganda even Farage said it was!

You need to pay more attention before you think you're clever enough to deliver snide digs.

You appear to have missed the point of my post, again.

As for 'propaganda', it is only so when it is in use, once discovered it reverts to its true form which is, a lie.

If you say you were aware it was a lie and think it of no significance, then that is your measure.

Brexit should be a catalyst for change, the slant you place on it only serves to reinforce the whipping hand.
 
On the subject of 'experts'. At the drop of a hat experts are wheeled out on tv and radio. Problem I have is they all seem familiar. I've seen experts wheeled out as terrorism experts and I'm sure turn up as economic experts a few weeks later. I haven't followed this up with detailed research but hopefully some will get on to what I am saying.
There are obviously some who are credible who are professors and professionals, but some, you just have to accept the line at the bottom of the screen, which I don't.

Don't believe anything you're told, work it out for yourself, come to your own conclusions.

Oh for sure, I wouldn't give much steed to those on television, or even in newspaper articles as neither medium gives itself to thorough explorations of a topic. My beef however is when something is trotted out as inevitable when it hasn't been subject to at least a degree of forethought, and indeed often with no thought given as to how it might even be delivered.

Sadly such over-confident promises seem to be common now, as the popular press isn't the right platform to really interrogate any of the promises made, so they slide into 'fact'.
 
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