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The true cost of 'hard brexit' is spelt out to the cabinet

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/oct/11/hard-brexit-treasury-66bn-eu-single-market

Don't worry though lads, we'll still have loads of spare cash to fund all the currently funded EU projects and put £350m a week back into the NHS...


Oh wait, a potential £53BN a year net loss? Not the land of milk and honey that was promised....

This is an old Osborne report that he produced as part of his remain campaign. Even his cabinet colleagues didn't believe it........I wonder who leaked it and gave the pro europe, sacked ex Cabinet Minister, Anna Soubry, the chance to get in the papers again........
 
This is an old Osborne report that he produced as part of his remain campaign. Even his cabinet colleagues didn't believe it........I wonder who leaked it and gave the pro europe, sacked ex Cabinet Minister, Anna Soubry, the chance to get in the papers again........

Although the then chancellor faced widespread criticism over the report, the Treasury stands by its calculations, according to the Times.
 
An award given by an organisation who has a privatised NHS as one of it's core strategies

When in doubt shoot the messenger btw

Any comment on his actual words like?

Well, as exports to the EU are approx 9.5% of our GDP, their total loss would be 9.5%. If we assume that absolutely no deal can be done with the EU and that both sides commit trading suicide, then we would fall back to WTO rules which may or may not affect the total amount traded between both sides so there may be some slight % decrease. This report also assumes that we will not do any additional deals with other countries or increase our overall exports, something which even today with a falling pound is being shown as ridiculous. Even Osborne has kept his mouth shut on this, it is only this preposterous Soubry idiot and the Guardian who would push it......
 
Although the then chancellor faced widespread criticism over the report, the Treasury stands by its calculations, according to the Times.

Why do you think the Chancellor faced widespread criticism ? I assume that the Treasury can do it's maths correctly, but what scenario was it that they were being asked to prepare and under what limitations. This may give some clue as to why he was criticised......
 
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...quest-for-joint-trade-taskforce-report-eea-eu

Norway rejects Liam Fox request for free trade deal taskforce


Norway has turned down a request from Britain to set up a formal joint taskforce aimed at preparing a post-Brexit free trade deal between the two countries, Norwegian media have reported.

The business daily Dagens Næringsliv said the international trade minister, Liam Fox, asked Norway’s trade and industry minster, Monica Mæland, to form a bilateral trade working group at a meeting between the two ministers and their officials on 14 September.

The request was passed to the Norwegian foreign affairs ministry, which is coordinating Norway’s Brexit response, where it was rejected as likely to jeopardise Norway’s European Economic Area (EEA) agreement and “inappropriate” while Britain was still a full member of the EU, the paper said.

The rejection marks a second early setback for Fox’s department after Australia’s trade minister said last month that any formal work on a post-Brexit Australia-UK trade deal would take second place to trade talks with the EU, and anyway could not begin until Britain had fully exited from the bloc.

The international trade department did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

Norway is not a member of the EU but has access to the single market though its membership of the EEA, which groups EU member states plus three of the four members of the European Free Trade Association (Efta) – Norway, Iceland and Liechtenstein.

Norway has said it could block a UK bid for Efta membership. The European affairs minister, Elisabeth Vik Aspaker, said in August it was “not certain it would be a good idea to let a big country into this organisation. It would shift the balance, which is not necessarily in Norway’s interests.”

Tim Farron, the Lib Dem leader, said: “This is the latest rebuff, this time from Norway, to the government that doesn’t have a plan or, frankly, have a clue.

“The Tory government is scrabbling around for even a scrap of good news while we charge headlong towards a hard Brexit. The Liberal Democrats are the real opposition to this Tory Brexit government.”

The “Norwegian model” had been held up by some pro-Brexit campaigners as a possible way for the UK to access the EU single market via the EEA, although the government’s insistence on controlling immigration and regaining parliamentary and judicial sovereignty after Brexit may rule that out: EEA membership requires the four EU freedoms, including the free movement of people.

Trygve Slagsvold Vedum, the leader of Norway’s Centre party, accused the Norwegian government of dragging its feet in response to the Brexit vote, telling Dagens Næringsliv that Britain was Norway’s biggest export market and it was “very strange” to reject closer dialogue.

Britain accounts for about a quarter of Norway’s exports – principally oil and gas, which account for nearly 90% of the total, and seafood – and about 6% of its imports.

The state secretary, Elsbeth Tronstad, declined to comment on the decision to reject a formal free trade working party but told the paper the two countries would continue to maintain good contacts.

Meetings were scheduled later this month between the foreign minister, Børge Brende, and his UK counterpart, Boris Johnson, and between Vik Aspaker and the Brexit secretary, David Davis, later this month, Tronstad said, with Norway and Britain still aiming to “contribute to reducing uncertainty in business”.
 
So it takes Clegg and Miliband to want to change the rules after the referendrum they want it to go to parliament because they stated they thought even if Joe Public left we would be still in the EU single market - are they thick it stated Yes for and NO for OUT
the Nos have it, you do not go back, and debate if you lose in the house of commons so what a pair of plonkers they really are!
Ed destroyed the Labour party, and Clegg destroyed the Liberal party
Great qualifications to start shouting the odds now - Two deadbeats!
Anna Soubry is a vicious pungent beast of a politician who was alarmed when she went campaigning to stay in, and got the wrong result!
I can remember her face the next day shock horror she got beat!
 

This is just showing the Eu that they are playing by their rules. This part of the same article is the important bit....

"Trygve Slagsvold Vedum, the leader of Norway’s Centre party, accused the Norwegian government of dragging its feet in response to the Brexit vote, telling Dagens Næringsliv that Britain was Norway’s biggest export market and it was “very strange” to reject closer dialogue.

Britain accounts for about a quarter of Norway’s exports – principally oil and gas, which account for nearly 90% of the total, and seafood – and about 6% of its imports.

The state secretary, Elsbeth Tronstad, declined to comment on the decision to reject a formal free trade working party but told the paper the two countries would continue to maintain good contacts.

Meetings were scheduled later this month between the foreign minister, Børge Brende, and his UK counterpart, Boris Johnson, and between Vik Aspaker and the Brexit secretary, David Davis, later this month, Tronstad said, with Norway and Britain still aiming to “contribute to reducing uncertainty in business”.
 
So it takes Clegg and Miliband to want to change the rules after the referendrum they want it to go to parliament because they stated they thought even if Joe Public left we would be still in the EU single market - are they thick it stated Yes for and NO for OUT
the Nos have it, you do not go back, and debate if you lose in the house of commons so what a pair of plonkers they really are!
Ed destroyed the Labour party, and Clegg destroyed the Liberal party
Great qualifications to start shouting the odds now - Two deadbeats!
Anna Soubry is a vicious pungent beast of a politician who was alarmed when she went campaigning to stay in, and got the wrong result!
I can remember her face the next day shock horror she got beat!

I remember her quite disgraceful performance during the night of the election when she appeared to be drunk and incoherent.......
 
So it takes Clegg and Miliband to want to change the rules after the referendrum they want it to go to parliament because they stated they thought even if Joe Public left we would be still in the EU single market - are they thick it stated Yes for and NO for OUT
the Nos have it, you do not go back, and debate if you lose in the house of commons so what a pair of plonkers they really are!
Ed destroyed the Labour party, and Clegg destroyed the Liberal party
Great qualifications to start shouting the odds now - Two deadbeats!
Anna Soubry is a vicious pungent beast of a politician who was alarmed when she went campaigning to stay in, and got the wrong result!
I can remember her face the next day shock horror she got beat!

That's what lots of people who voted out thought.

I mean, who in their right mind would ideally want to leave the single market?
 
This is just showing the Eu that they are playing by their rules. This part of the same article is the important bit....

"Trygve Slagsvold Vedum, the leader of Norway’s Centre party, accused the Norwegian government of dragging its feet in response to the Brexit vote, telling Dagens Næringsliv that Britain was Norway’s biggest export market and it was “very strange” to reject closer dialogue.

Britain accounts for about a quarter of Norway’s exports – principally oil and gas, which account for nearly 90% of the total, and seafood – and about 6% of its imports.

The state secretary, Elsbeth Tronstad, declined to comment on the decision to reject a formal free trade working party but told the paper the two countries would continue to maintain good contacts.

Meetings were scheduled later this month between the foreign minister, Børge Brende, and his UK counterpart, Boris Johnson, and between Vik Aspaker and the Brexit secretary, David Davis, later this month, Tronstad said, with Norway and Britain still aiming to “contribute to reducing uncertainty in business”.
It's interpretation the EU will scaremonger till the deal is done they will not cut their nose of to spite ther faces, we cannot stay in the single market without accepting EU law out meant leaving Europe the Remoaners will have to accept it including duffers of bad losing MPs!
 
That's what lots of people who voted out thought.

I mean, who in their right mind would ideally want to leave the single market?
Yes!
See my above post accept it we will leave the EU if we have to have GE the Tories will have a bigger majority!
Watch the Daily politics today Jason Rees Mogg explains it brilliantly versus the bumbling Ken Clarke who wanted to join the Euro!
 
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That's what lots of people who voted out thought.

I mean, who in their right mind would ideally want to leave the single market?

People who voted out knew what they were voting for, otherwise you would have to admit that the whole of the remain camp, government, politicians, media, BBC, the EU, banks and other scaremongers plus all of you other remainers really didn't do a good job of explaining it.........the suggestion is embarrassing and a little insulting......
 
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