magicjuan
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Erm, no, I was watching an Octonauts DVD.
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Billy Dean
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He's a proper Quisling that bloke.
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Not the word I would use to describe him.
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After 2 years of delays, since first reading this document, the Border Target Operating Model has officially been released by HMG
As expected, a further delay was built into this; however, it is not as bad as expected.
The governments approach to how we handle food items into the country is idiotic. I am fairly confident in saying that we will see a major public health incident within the next 15 years.
There will be a ridiculous increase in “cheap” products flooding the market and this new regime will also give businesses the opportunity to increase food prices; even though there are loopholes everywhere to avoid payment.
Allowing business to lead on border strategy will only benefit one party
As expected, a further delay was built into this; however, it is not as bad as expected.
The governments approach to how we handle food items into the country is idiotic. I am fairly confident in saying that we will see a major public health incident within the next 15 years.
There will be a ridiculous increase in “cheap” products flooding the market and this new regime will also give businesses the opportunity to increase food prices; even though there are loopholes everywhere to avoid payment.
Allowing business to lead on border strategy will only benefit one party
Spadge Vernacular
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Need to stop these people voting, limit voting to 18-50.
Appreciate the updates you've given on these sort of things.
I didn't have a clue what I was doing, too old and lazy to read up on it, it doesn't affect me so sod future generations as I'm old and hate all things different.
There's an old Stewart Lee line about the elderly confusing basic health & safety legistlation with political correctness that weirdly slides in here. Something like "My nan was complaining you can't even take a toaster into the bath anymore in case it upsets the Polish family living down the road".
I've had my day, I want to ruin someone else's now, I've gotten older and a bit slower and it hurts a lot more than it ever did, so now I'm bitter and twisted and someone has to suffer because I am. So line em up, the poor, feck em! those fleeing war, feck em! the gay community, feck em! the young, feck em! In my day we all went to church and had morals, that's where it's all gone wrong, and don't get me started on them with vaguely dusky skin tones...
great british bigotry is alive and insane. (caveat being, her and plenty like her weren't educated so very highly back in the bad old days so only have their common fears and intolerances to rely on as any sort of compass to get through life, the changes over the decades must be very frightening and the sense of irrelevance must be quite crushing).
Just to follow on from this; I always get asked by friends and family about how and why the change of system could potentially impact public health and its something which doesn't really get talked about. The press will just chat about increased/decreased checks on SPS goods, less/more red tape, cost to business/cost to the public.
The EU regime is quite rigid (and to be fair, it does need reviewing because it does impede a lot of developing nations in favour of larger nations, and there is a ton of issues with EU produced products). So, hopefully, this will give a very basic overview of what the changes are:
EU Regime
- All Products of Animal Origin (fresh meat, canned meat, photographic gelatine - anything that contains animal products) is subject to official controls (documentary checks, identity checks and physical checks) at the border. The products have there own Commodity Code (so canned salmon and fresh salmon are totally different for example )
- All consignments are subject to 100% documentary check; the rate for ID/physical is normally 20%; with some high risk goods being high (up to 100% if there is a know outbreak) and as low as 5% (new zealand for example have an agreement with the EU due to their very controlled Food Hygiene laws)
- For POAO to be imported to the EU; the manufacturing plant in the exporting country needs to be approved by the EU - it needs to meet the standards of the regulations and is regularly audited to ensure compliance. These are called establishments and are given individual establishment numbers
- Once produced, and before it leaves the country, an official health certificate needs to be produced and signed by an Official Vet in that country. They are confirming that the goods being exported are from that plant and have been produced in compliance with the EU regs
- Once imported the official health cert is subject to documentary check. If it hits the % for physical checks it will undergo them. If an issue is found and it is not fit to enter; the consignment is rejected and an notification (from a system called TRACES) is sent to every Border Control Post in Europe telling them that Establishment X has failed (it notifies them to increase checks basically - then surveillance increases)
- If there is a known issue with a certain establishment, these can be removed from the EU approved list and are no longer allowed to import into the EU. However, other establishments from that country won't be impacted
- Charging regime for checks is capped 9E per tonne with a maximum of 368E
UK New Regime
- Food is categorised in low, medium or high risk - so, canned tuna is categorised as low risk, live animals high risk
- Individual establishments are not known
- Commodity Codes are not assigned
- Health Certificates are required for medium and high risk goods
- Businesses decide, from the guidance, what category their goods are
- Low Risk goods do not require official certification or notification; just basic information
- Low Risk goods are not subject to any form of check; they enter the country freely (it is recommended that spot checks are conducted; but without any prior notification it'll be almost impossible)
- Physical checks have been reduced from 20% to 1% for medium risk (increases the risk of illegal imports straight off the bat)
- Port Health Authorities, that conduct these checks and are part of local authorities, set the fees for checks. These are self funding authorities; so to pay for staff, OVS etc will not come from a Local Authority that is struggling for cash - it will be passed onto the importer who passes that onto the customer who passes that on to us
The risk, for this nation, is that IMO (and I've told this directly to government) you will see an influx of criminal activity. A Brazilian meat factory that has had an issue and all their meat is spoiled, they know they can't send it to Europe; its subject 20% checks and once that is picked up every port will be notified. So what do you do? You subject it processing and can it, which will make it Low Risk product and send it to the UK. It won't be subject to any checks at the border, it'll fly onto the shelves in and before anyone know there's a massive outbreak. It'll cost the tax payer millions
You can see why no Tory politician would particularly want to get involved with this. Many will be out of office soon enough and anything ‘anti-Brexit’ is likely not welcomed right now.
Whether anything would change once they’re gone is another matter.
Oh indeed, this will be the problem for the next administration.
2026 when there is a major outbreak, we'll here the Tory backbenchers blaming the labour government for this
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Now there's a letter to your mp, "dear sir/madam, I write to you in earnest fear regarding the public health risk that has been hoiked upon the country by the tory brexiteers to specifically maim and kill. Some preparedness for a nationwide botulism poisoning outbreak would be most appreciated as the numbers of dead could well eclipse the sh*tshow that was the management of the covid circus. many thanks in advance, yours terrified Chris"
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