Current Affairs EU In or Out

[JimmyJeffers]

I know a few farmers and not one regrets voting leave. As the last guy said, it will sort itself out. People on here going on about Australian beef yet we import 320,000 tonnes of beef from the EU every year. It is barely 6 months since we left, teething troubles and quite deliberate EU pettiness will resolve themselves eventually.....

A lot of the richer farmers won’t care one bit. More the smaller and tenant farmers that will be most affected.

 

[peteblue]

You'll have to forgive me then as I recall a common argument being that we need to get away from the declining Europe and that trade with the burgeoning eastern markets will more than compensate for what we might lose with Europe. Did I imagine that?

No you did not. Our trade with the EU has been declining for some time and our increasing trade with the RoW will indeed compensate...now that we are able to quickly negotiate these things ourselves outside of the bureaucratic protectionist bloc of the EU. If leaving the EU has done one simple thing, it has opened the eyes of the U.K. to see just how difficult and petty the EU has made doing business with it from the RoW. The countries within the EU are fine, the EU structure and its ever growing Political Union is the problem...

 

[peteblue]

I‘m not sure quoting Thornberry is the clinching argument for any debate.......

 

[roydo]

now that we are able to quickly negotiate these things ourselves

It looks more like we are desperate for any deal. Take the Aussie one; accepted their lower food standards, and even an Aussie MP said it benefited them and he couldnt care less that it could damage English and Welsh farmers.

Nice one.

 

[Moomin]

It looks more like we are desperate for any deal. Take the Aussie one; accepted their lower food standards, and even an Aussie MP said it benefited them and he couldnt care less that it could damage English and Welsh farmers.

Nice one.

They have a shortfall of workers on their farms.

Which they hope to fill with our young adults who fancy doing some back packing in Oz.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

Had noticed myself there was a little shortage of the fresh stuff at the weekend, not Waistrose as in link, too white working class, good old Tesco for us.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

No you did not. Our trade with the EU has been declining for some time and our increasing trade with the RoW will indeed compensate...now that we are able to quickly negotiate these things ourselves outside of the bureaucratic protectionist bloc of the EU. If leaving the EU has done one simple thing, it has opened the eyes of the U.K. to see just how difficult and petty the EU has made doing business with it from the RoW. The countries within the EU are fine, the EU structure and its ever growing Political Union is the problem...

I'm confused now then, as the major trade bloc you've long been advocating we should join, will boost UK GDP by just £1.8 billion in 15 years time, whereas in the first quarter of this year alone, trade with the EU fell by around £14 billion.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

I‘m not sure quoting Thornberry is the clinching argument for any debate.......

She's citing data from your government. Do you dispute that data?

 

[Bruce Wayne]

They have a shortfall of workers on their farms.

Which they hope to fill with our young adults who fancy doing some back packing in Oz.

So youngsters that won't pick fruit on UK farms will travel a few thousand miles to do so. Seems a reasonable belief. It's also interesting that you don't seem to hear Australian farmers complaining that the market will be flooded with British produce, despite the UK having among the cheapest food in the world.

Why the UK has such cheap food

Britons spend very little on food compared with other nations, but that could be about to change.

www.bbc.co.uk

I wonder why that might be?

 

[tsubaki]

No you did not. Our trade with the EU has been declining for some time and our increasing trade with the RoW will indeed compensate...now that we are able to quickly negotiate these things ourselves outside of the bureaucratic protectionist bloc of the EU. If leaving the EU has done one simple thing, it has opened the eyes of the U.K. to see just how difficult and petty the EU has made doing business with it from the RoW. The countries within the EU are fine, the EU structure and its ever growing Political Union is the problem...

HMG negotiating within the EU = crap
HMG negotiating with the EU = crap
HMG negotiating with other countries = crap

the problem is not, and has never been, in Brussels

 

[peteblue]

She's citing data from your government. Do you dispute that data?

Thornberry is to International Trade as Diane Abbott is to Mathematics......

 

[peteblue]

I'm confused now then, as the major trade bloc you've long been advocating we should join, will boost UK GDP by just £1.8 billion in 15 years time, whereas in the first quarter of this year alone, trade with the EU fell by around £14 billion.

Our exports to the EU did indeed fall by 18% and EU exports to the U.K. fell by 22%. I can’t imagine that over-exporting and over-importing in the previous quarter to get around any Brexit related issues, nor the U.K. and EU being in lockdown due to a pandemic had anything to do with it though.......

 

[orchard]

She's citing data from your government. Do you dispute that data?

Ever get the feeling that you're attempting to debate with an Azul multi?

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Our exports to the EU did indeed fall by 18% and EU exports to the U.K. fell by 22%. I can’t imagine that over-exporting and over-importing in the previous quarter to get around any Brexit related issues, nor the U.K. and EU being in lockdown due to a pandemic had anything to do with it though.......

I might be wrong but I'm fairly sure they aren't comparing Q1 of this year with Q4 of last year

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Meanwhile, but at least we have the extra £1.5 billion, or will possibly have it in 15 years time.