Current Affairs EU In or Out

[Joey66]

Planet Humanity mate. Come, join us. Doesn't matter what colour your skin is or who you pray to.

Chico I agree on that point , but just because a home secretary decides she wants a system to crack down on illegal immigrants, that is not racism it's our laws being put into action so some people think its shocking listening to LBC and the liberal mr James O'brien is making hay out of this saying its unfair to have a list etc really try living in the USA or Canada or other commonwealth countries where this is the normal thing to do as freedom of movement does not just let brilliant immigrants in, it can let in undesirables illegals etc He was claiming racism xenophobia etc jumping on a brexit band wagon of people who voted out as racist turned him of as he was talking utter drivel making things worse imo!

 

[carlos21]

Chico I agree on that point , but just because a home secretary decides she wants a system to crack down on illegal immigrants, that is not racism it's our laws being put into action so some people think its shocking listening to LBC and the liberal mr James O'brien is making hay out of this saying its unfair to have a list etc really try living in the USA or Canada or other commonwealth countries where this is the normal thing to do as freedom of movement does not just let brilliant immigrants in, it can let in undesirables illegals etc He was claiming racism xenophobia etc jumping on a brexit band wagon of people who voted out as racist turned him of as he was talking utter drivel making things worse imo!

Hi Joey,

 

[Joey66]

Joey if you're not attempting to play an utterly perfect Brexiter stereotype then the above is truly amazing.

Chico I am stating facts when I was a little kid nothing to do with brexit if you were born before the european common market, you can make a comparison of how the country survived without now the political EU - when we voted IN I was happy with the majority and indeed twice voted IN for just trade with the EU or common market - to get away away from the political union this time I voted out do not label me as a perfect brexitier that you mispelt by the way I just used my democratic vote on my life experience ok!

 

[Joey66]

Hi Joey,

Hi Carlos having a good day colder out there today mate

 

[carlos21]

Hi Carlos having a good day colder out there today mate

Oh yes it is pal.

 

[Joey66]

I don't reckon it will be as bad as forecast but there's some very tough days ahead. This on top of a tough eight years for most working class people in the U.K.

Rupert Murdoch really has done a job on the wiki educated xenophobic maggots in th country. I'm personally hoping for more foreigners to dilute the racism abound in the media and poorly informed.

I probably dislike the English more than any other nation of people and it's a shame as there's some tremendous folk out there but they're crushed by dull and ignorant.

Hey thats a bit racistlol

 

[Billy Dean]

Chico I agree on that point , but just because a home secretary decides she wants a system to crack down on illegal immigrants, that is not racism it's our laws being put into action so some people think its shocking listening to LBC and the liberal mr James O'brien is making hay out of this saying its unfair to have a list etc really try living in the USA or Canada or other commonwealth countries where this is the normal thing to do as freedom of movement does not just let brilliant immigrants in, it can let in undesirables illegals etc He was claiming racism xenophobia etc jumping on a brexit band wagon of people who voted out as racist turned him of as he was talking utter drivel making things worse imo!

Am I being stupid when I ask how controlling our borders will change being out of the EU? Sure it will mean we can control how many EU citizens we let in but those from other countries surely we could control whether we're in or out of the EU?

 

[Joey66]

Am I being stupid when I ask how controlling our borders will change being out of the EU? Sure it will mean we can control how many EU citizens we let in but those from other countries surely we could control whether we're in or out of the EU?

I agree it is stupid , but when 27 countries agree to total free movement into any country in the EU with or without a job is that right? we are privileged not to be in the Schengen areas were mass movement can take place.
We need immigrants no doubt about it, but the word control seems to upset some people for instance Australia has a points system as they let in the skills they need as many countries do from outside the EU it can be done on work visa etc etc - My daughter has been abroad three times to EU countries not once has her passport been stamped as a EU citizen she could just go in it fine if its done legitimately its fine if someone had checked she had no criminal records etc this to my knowledge is not being done.
I myself have never ventured abroad due to health reasons I retired purchased a passport and unfortunately fell in to bad health it imo is not racism to control your countries borders all over the world who is coming and who is staying etc
Other outside the EU control their borders in different ways and why should it affect trade, maybe its an EU parliament who made brexit a reality?

 

[Billy Dean]

I agree it is stupid , but when 27 countries agree to total free movement into any country in the EU with or without a job is that right? we are privileged not to be in the Schengen areas were mass movement can take place.
We need immigrants no doubt about it, but the word control seems to upset some people for instance Australia has a points system as they let in the skills they need as many countries do from outside the EU it can be done on work visa etc etc - My daughter has been abroad three times to EU countries not once has her passport been stamped as a EU citizen she could just go in it fine if its done legitimately its fine if someone had checked she had no criminal records etc this to my knowledge is not being done.
I myself have never ventured abroad due to health reasons I retired purchased a passport and unfortunately fell in to bad health it imo is not racism to control your countries borders all over the world who is coming and who is staying etc
Other outside the EU control their borders in different ways and why should it affect trade, maybe its an EU parliament who made brexit a reality?

what I'm asking is, if we leave the EU, then we can control the amount of EU citizens that come in right? How we are able to control non-EU citizens coming in will not change in respect to now right? We're already free to control the amount of non-EU citizens coming in however we want. So what's the point of leaving the EU really?

 

[degsy]

It will recover, a dollar when I was a kid was 25p the old five bob that's when we were Great Britain - 2008 after the crash the euro was equal to the pound - it will fluctuate until the negotiations next march start other EU countries want a referendrum look at their stagnant economy it's just getting worse each day!

Joey, don't want to disappoint you but The Dollar hasn't been 4 to the pound since 1948. It was (re)set at 2.80 in 1950, re-reset at 2.40 in the mid 60's by Wilson

 

[peteblue]

It's on its way Pete, make no doubt about it.

We've entered a "phony war" period waiting for a Government to come up with a timing and strategy for Article 50 and subsequent actions. We sort of have a timetable but no strategy (cunningly phrased as no running commentary), the nearer we get to the trigger of Article 50 and no evidence of a strategy the worse it will become.

Of course, the Government has seen the independent Bank of England engage in huge quantitative easing (again) and a further reduction in interest rates to stave off the immediate impact (very Keynesian )but let's not kid ourselves, they've just kicked the can down the road a few months.

We have no idea what post Brexit will look like other than we will not remain in the Single Market - so on what terms do we trade with Europe? WTO? No-one knows, least of all the Government.

Thats a bit like saying there will definitely a recession at some time in the future but no one knows when or even in which century.

Of course no one knows on what terms we will trade, no discussions have taken place yet, Spain have already suggested a CETA type arrangement for the UK, but the issue is not just about how we trade with the EU but also how does the EU trade with the UK. Whether it is similar to today or on WTO, it doesnt really matter, it will be the same for both parties and will still generate opportunities. But the Uk will now have the handbrake of the EU and 27 other votes removed.

The USA is desperate for the Eu and UK to do the sensible thing so as no damage is done to either. I am more than ever convinced that a sensible deal that suits the UK will be done.

Politicians and business people are beginning to wake up to the very real opportunities that will come our way if we grasp them. It is noticeable that Remain voters and doubters are now converting to Brexit and Brexit voters are being vindicated...as time moves on I expect those running the UK to regain their boldness and confidence in a fully Independent and Sovereign UK...........

 

[Little Ralphy]

We need immigrants no doubt about it, but the word control seems to upset some people for instance Australia has a points system as they let in the skills they need

Except for those on working holiday visas, who generally have no skills and do manual labour type things for minimal pay.

 

[peteblue]

Joey, don't want to disappoint you but The Dollar hasn't been 4 to the pound since 1948. It was (re)set at 2.80 in 1950, re-reset at 2.40 in the mid 60's by Wilson

So you just proved that the dollar v £ has always moved around.......

 

[Pienaar's gloves]

Echoing Chico, my word, Rupert Murdoch has done a job on some of you!

 

[Pienaar's gloves]

I agree it is stupid , but when 27 countries agree to total free movement into any country in the EU with or without a job is that right? we are privileged not to be in the Schengen areas were mass movement can take place.
We need immigrants no doubt about it, but the word control seems to upset some people for instance Australia has a points system as they let in the skills they need as many countries do from outside the EU it can be done on work visa etc etc - My daughter has been abroad three times to EU countries not once has her passport been stamped as a EU citizen she could just go in it fine if its done legitimately its fine if someone had checked she had no criminal records etc this to my knowledge is not being done.
I myself have never ventured abroad due to health reasons I retired purchased a passport and unfortunately fell in to bad health it imo is not racism to control your countries borders all over the world who is coming and who is staying etc
Other outside the EU control their borders in different ways and why should it affect trade, maybe its an EU parliament who made brexit a reality?

I don't mean to be a tit mate, and am sympathetic to your point - but there is a lot of world out there that is a hell of a lot better than the United Kingdom.

I've been in the fortunate position to visit a good number of EU countries, including those in the east and south of the continent and found them all to be wonderful. Slovenia was a personal favourite. There is a lot we could learn from their people, but our 'ENGLAND IS DE BEST' attitude makes it impossible.