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The Spanish foreign minister nailed it this morning when she said both sides need to view the trade deal as a matter of inter-dependence rather than a matter of independence.

We need the EU and the EU need us. What we don’t need is a no-deal and gunboat diplomacy.

Johnson and his boorish Eaton toff mates can get to feck! The sun has well and truly set on the British Empire.
 
IMO? It looks more and more like that in order to keeps the trucks rolling come Jan 1, the fisheries will be thrown under the bus. Just as with the loyalists over the Irish border move.
Talks continue to wrap this up in terms acceptable to the tabloid guzzling UK public.
 
Mutzo Nutzo said:
The Spanish foreign minister nailed it this morning when she said both sides need to view the trade deal as a matter of inter-dependence rather than a matter of independence.

We need the EU and the EU need us. What we don’t need is a no-deal and gunboat diplomacy.

Johnson and his boorish Eaton toff mates can get to feck! The sun has well and truly set on the British Empire.
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We need a sensible deal that benefits both the U.K. and the EU. What we don’t need is some ‘punishment’ deal or one that allows the EU to continue control of the U.K. All of this is driven out of a fear by the EU that the U.K. will actually prosper outside of the EU constrictions. I understand that. But if the U.K. can prosper by doing something different then there is nothing to stop the EU doing similar. But this is where EU politics, not necessarily individual countries but the EU commission can only see one path forward, no flexibility, just the project.

Negotiations should always be about both sides benefitting, otherwise why bother negotiating. that’s the pragmatic approach. The EU is too big, has far too many individual vested interests, too many voices and too many vetoes, gets driven depending on the current political situation in country x y or z and is glacial in its movement.

Both the U.K. and the EU will suffer to a degree, the U.K. at least understood there would be pain in leaving, I’m not sure that the EU, the commission not the countries, are particularly bothered about any EU pain.....
 
peteblue said:
We need a sensible deal that benefits both the U.K. and the EU. What we don’t need is some ‘punishment’ deal or one that allows the EU to continue control of the U.K. All of this is driven out of a fear by the EU that the U.K. will actually prosper outside of the EU constrictions. I understand that. But if the U.K. can prosper by doing something different then there is nothing to stop the EU doing similar. But this is where EU politics, not necessarily individual countries but the EU commission can only see one path forward, no flexibility, just the project.

Negotiations should always be about both sides benefitting, otherwise why bother negotiating. that’s the pragmatic approach. The EU is too big, has far too many individual vested interests, too many voices and too many vetoes, gets driven depending on the current political situation in country x y or z and is glacial in its movement.

Both the U.K. and the EU will suffer to a degree, the U.K. at least understood there would be pain in leaving, I’m not sure that the EU, the commission not the countries, are particularly bothered about any EU pain.....
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Agree mate. Time for both sides to look at the bigger picture and not get bogged down with small technical details.

get it done ffs or I will have to arm myself and stand guard over my allotment, in order to fend off waves of hungry scruffs trying to rob my sprouts.
 
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