Current Affairs EU In or Out

[peteblue]

But we have no say in the creation of those rules now. I suspect the view that Britain was largely impotent in Brussels was always silly victimhood by arch Brexiters, as many have highlighted the influence we had on European thinking and decision making, but even taking the most impotent image, we still had the power to veto policies we didn't approve of. Now, we have none of that power, yet due to the political and commercial heft of our near neighbours, we are, as you say, highly likely to follow their rules anyway.

Galileo is indeed a good example, as we're not planning to do a different satellite network, but simply our own satellite network, and because of the paucity of domestic suppliers, the government have been forced to pump huge sums into a company that were going bankrupt. It smacks of desperation and is an absolute mile from the 'no lame duck' approach Thatcher espoused. We've already seen the government buy ferries from a non-ferry company, and PPE from a pest control company. They look like well spoken chancers who haven't got a clue what they're doing.

We don’t need to have a say in the creation of new EU rules, nor any ‘power’ over them, that is for the EU. We are a separate independent country who will determine its own rules. I do not believe for one minute that we will follow the EU rules in the same way that I do not expect the EU to follow ours, unless where agreed.

In respect of Galileo, in which we paid large sums of money and put in the satellite technology, the current situation was a pure Political decision to punish the U.K. The effect being of course that the U.K. will have to develop a new system. A system required for our military, the same military that the EU require to provide defence provision against Russia and other actors. I believe the U.K. should re-evaluate its military support to Eastern Europe via NATO and the costs involved. The EU does not pay for its own defence, and via Galileo actually kicks and reduces the capability of one of its main defenders. It’s time that the U.K. started to play hardball in this area. The EU successfully blindsided May to take Defence off the negotiation table. I would bring it back......

 

[orchard]

Meanwhile, in the real world:

 

[Ruairi77]

But matters of taxation and military service lie in the hands of individual nations. The EU cannot perform the functions you are suggesting.

welcome to 2016 where Pete reckoned by 2021 the EU would be a single super state with unified taxation and a single army with conscription.

 

[peteblue]

But matters of taxation and military service lie in the hands of individual nations. The EU cannot perform the functions you are suggesting.

welcome to 2016 where Pete reckoned by 2021 the EU would be a single super state with unified taxation and a single army with conscription.

Why do you think there is so much argument over the €750Bn coronavirus bailout ? Mutualisation of debt is the next step for pulling everything under the control of the EU on its journey to becoming the USE.......

 

[Disgruntledgoat]

Why do you think there is so much argument over the €750Bn coronavirus bailout ? Mutualisation of debt is the next step for pulling everything under the control of the EU on its journey to becoming the USE.......

Or it's how countries in a supranational Union deal with not wanting the economy of 50% of it's members to collapse utterly dragging their currency down with it.

 

[peteblue]

Meanwhile, in the real world:

They will rename the days of the week just to cause a fight. I’ve said it many times before, if they really want to win an independence vote, just open it up to English voters and they will soon be gone......

 

[Ruairi77]

Why do you think there is so much argument over the €750Bn coronavirus bailout ? Mutualisation of debt is the next step for pulling everything under the control of the EU on its journey to becoming the USE.......

good man Pete.

 

[orchard]

They will rename the days of the week just to cause a fight. I’ve said it many times before, if they really want to win an independence vote, just open it up to English voters and they will soon be gone......

Hahaha. No. They were permitted divergence by the EU and decided, rationally, to have higher standards than England. Taking back control says 'no', with no rational engagement.

 

[Methuselah]

Was going to be built in Wales somewhere wasn't it?

And Portugal.

 

[orchard]

British farmers to drive tractors and trucks to Westminster to protest agriculture bill that “sells them down the river”
The campaign group say the bill would reverse many of the promises made by Vote Leave and the Conservative Party.

 

[roydo]

British farmers to drive tractors and trucks to Westminster to protest agriculture bill that “sells them down the river”
The campaign group say the bill would reverse many of the promises made by Vote Leave and the Conservative Party.

Well, we did suggest they shouldnt believe a word they were being told.

 

[Harryflashman]

Well, we did suggest they shouldnt believe a word they were being told.

I was brought up to be caring , to want to help and support but just like with trump voters who find themselves in difficult situations , I want to but it’s not always easy to maintain that stance .

 

[orchard]

Well, we did suggest they shouldnt believe a word they were being told.

Once or twice like.

Probably loads to vault in here parroting divergence means we can raise standards.

 

[roydo]

Once or twice like.

Probably loads to vault in here parroting divergence means we can raise standards.

Looking back, the thing that get me annoyed was the implication that if you pointed out that the stuff they were being fed was bollox, you were some EU supporting fanatic.

I had no issue with folk making perfectly reasonable points about why they personally had a problem with the EU. Probably agreed with some of them. But it was utter BS that many swallowed without question that did my head in.

Its water under the bridge now, and when it doesnt turn out quite they were told it would do, we know it will be the remainers fault, cos thats what they have been told.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

At least we're not Trump (yet). Bonkers that he wants to revoke the visas of foreign students whose courses have been moved online due to Covid restrictions. The man's an utter mutant. An absolute moron of the highest order.