Current Affairs EU In or Out

[zzr45]

It was part of a video featuring veterans from the 2nd war talking about how sad they were that we were leaving. Given the direct juxtaposition between projecting this message onto the cliffs and the people in Warrington belting out Vera Lynn...

I thankfully haven’t seen this. The fact of the matter is we are out, as much as people like you or I might not like it. Time to square our shoulders and get on with it, surely the costs of projecting this could have been better spent on helping those EU nationals struggling to get settled status nailed down, for example.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

I thankfully haven’t seen this. The fact of the matter is we are out, as much as people like you or I might not like it. Time to square our shoulders and get on with it, surely the costs of projecting this could have been better spent on helping those EU nationals struggling to get settled status nailed down, for example.

Oh, don't get me wrong, for me it's just about getting on with life and doing the best now. Nothing can be done to change things. I think given the high likelihood of jingoism however, I do appreciate the fact that a message was sent to Europe that there are many of us here who do hold them in the highest esteem. I know personally, I've worked hard to build links across Europe, and it would be sad if there was any 'guilt by association' with the various knuckle draggers that have appeared on TV over the weekend.

 

[Jonte]

wonderfully hilarious take, those poor poor old white males

Oh, the irony of that post.

Respectfully, Walken, I sincerely hope and trust for all our sakes you’ll understand why.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

I thankfully haven’t seen this. The fact of the matter is we are out, as much as people like you or I might not like it. Time to square our shoulders and get on with it, surely the costs of projecting this could have been better spent on helping those EU nationals struggling to get settled status nailed down, for example.

Squaring shoulders to get us back in the EU, if people want to spend their energies on achieving that aim. Can't see any problems myself, open free democracy and all that, however, I suspect for some, and yes in particular Brexit camp thats a real issue, open free democracy.

 

[Walken]

Oh, the irony of that post.

Respectfully, Walken, I sincerely hope and trust for all our sakes you’ll understand why.

I do, I just don't take your hyperbolic assertion seriously enough for it to matter. Of course if you think a sarcastic post like this is racist, bigoted and akin to fascism, then you will.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

No, Charlie, I won’t.

No matter how much you persist,I’m not disclosing any of my leanings or political beliefs to you or anyone else on a public forum; that’s my business and you should respect it. That’s what a fair and free society is supposed to be about.

You’ll have to look elsewhere if you want to pigeon-hole someone.

So you don’t want to disclose your own political beliefs but have chosen to come onto a political thread asking the mods to close it?

Yeah sound, go away.

 

[Jebus_lives]

Oh, don't get me wrong, for me it's just about getting on with life and doing the best now. Nothing can be done to change things. I think given the high likelihood of jingoism however, I do appreciate the fact that a message was sent to Europe that there are many of us here who do hold them in the highest esteem. I know personally, I've worked hard to build links across Europe, and it would be sad if there was any 'guilt by association' with the various knuckle draggers that have appeared on TV over the weekend.

Exactly. The legal routes available aren't there, neither would there be the necessary will from the UK population nor the EU to entertain a reapplication any time soon.

Some on here are a little bit like the Japanese holdouts still fighting the war long after the surrender.

The useful effort isn't in wanting to re-fight the referendum (this happened and Remain ran an awful campaign), it's about shaping the future relationship and the UKs continued close alignment with the EU.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

Exactly. The legal routes available aren't there, neither would there be the necessary will from the UK population nor the EU to entertain a reapplication any time soon.

Some on here are a little bit like the Japanese holdouts still fighting the war long after the surrender.

The useful effort isn't in wanting to re-fight the referendum (this happened and Remain ran an awful campaign), it's about shaping the future relationship and the UKs continued close alignment with the EU.

We have precisely zero input into the shaping of the future relationship and neither does anyone outside of the Tory Govt, as they have an 80+ majority, so what happens now is solely at their behest.

Business leaders and organisations representing specific sectors can lobby and put forward their specific needs and wants, but ultimately we are in the hands of a PM elected by blatant pandering to populism and he’ll do what he considers is in the best interests of Boris Johnson, same as he’s always done.

 

[Jebus_lives]

We have precisely zero input into the shaping of the future relationship and neither does anyone outside of the Tory Govt, as they have an 80+ majority, so what happens now is solely at their behest.

Business leaders and organisations representing specific sectors can lobby and put forward their specific needs and wants, but ultimately we are in the hands of a PM elected by blatant pandering to populism and he’ll do what he considers is in the best interests of Boris Johnson, same as he’s always done.

To a degree, but there is now another fight to be fought and that one can be won - or n at least influenced. Public opinion holds sway, particularly where people think they might be losing things they were expecting to keep or not being delivered things they thought they were being promised.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

To a degree, but there is now another fight to be fought and that one can be won - or n at least influenced. Public opinion holds sway, particularly where people think they might be losing things they were expecting to keep or not being delivered things they thought they were being promised.

The trade deal with the EU will be long done before those who championed Brexit based on false promises and meaningless jingoistic rhetoric, see that it hasn’t brought them any tangible benefits and has in fact stolen rights from them.

It’ll take until next year and beyond for the reality to hit home and it’ll only be at that point when public opinion will become genuinely impactful imo. By the time it actually happens the right wing media and the Tories will have spent all of the intervening time laying the foundations for the apportioning of blame and it’ll be everyone’s fault but theirs.

I have zero faith that those who buried themselves in the ridiculous Brexit jingoism will hold the actual culprits to account, they’ll likely go with the spun narrative, as that’s the only route that allows them avoid admitting their own mistake. Just watch it unfold mate.

 

[Charlie Sweet]

So you don’t want to disclose your own political beliefs but have chosen to come onto a political thread asking the mods to close it?

Yeah sound, go away.

Exactly this!

 

[Charlie Sweet]

And doesn't respond to posts where he has been proven wrong. An accusation he's not shy of throwing out himself quickly enough at times.

Pardon?

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

The useful effort isn't in wanting to re-fight the referendum (this happened and Remain ran an awful campaign), it's about shaping the future relationship and the UKs continued close alignment with the EU

You have no chance of achieving that. You are Brexit or your a traitor... And well done for playing into their WW2 narrative.

Some on here are a little bit like the Japanese holdouts still fighting the war long after the surrender

 

[The binman chronicles]

Oh, don't get me wrong, for me it's just about getting on with life and doing the best now.

The time for bickering is over now, we all have to hope this is a success as no one wants to be worse off.

We should really park the derogatory remarks about who voted what and for what reason as what is done is done. People who voted for Brexit could be in the Pete camp where they genuinely believe that it will make the UK stronger for being out, they could have straddled the economically stronger and stop immigration boundary and then the ones who didn't care about the health of the nation as long as less foreigners come in. They are not all thick, it's just a different interpretation of the data.

We have to hope that a deal can be found, however this post:

Business leaders and organisations representing specific sectors can lobby and put forward their specific needs and wants, but ultimately we are in the hands of a PM elected by blatant pandering to populism and he’ll do what he considers is in the best interests of Boris Johnson, same as he’s always done.

Is correct and with the noises coming out today about no to keeping in line with regulations is going to end with us having a no deal exit at the end of the year.

Which is what they wanted all along as the 3% are set to make a killing.

 

[Charlie Sweet]

Watching BBC Politics North programme on BBC1 now:

- Vote Leave CEO admitted that the inclusion of potential Turkish membership of the EU was not based on "fact" but on their "interpretation" of what might happen

- new Grimsby MP bangs the drum against claims of a traditional Tory elitist/southern bias by pointing to the recent cabinet meeting in Sunderland as evidence the Johnson government has "the north at its heart"

It's a new form of politics.