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[Joey66]

Fish and chip shops on every street.

Can't wait for Brexit.

Along with the million new jobs we will also have 25 new mushy peas factories across the UK.

Brave new future.

More Mushy peas great no need to purchase Bubble bath another saving on leaving the EU

 

[Barnfred 55]

you wanted Brexit , it’s happening . Enjoy seriously. It must feel like Everton winning something enjoy .

my only point was that word offends me , both me as first generation English from Irish decent and family I have that have their origins further afield . You said or alluded the Scouse abuse you suffered had been offensive in your life , can you imagine having a woman you love called a monkey or worse ? That’s the world I spent years in and words like indigenous are in my opinion the gateway to that .

I'm not in any way disputing what you've said mate, but I have a completely different understanding of the word indigenous. Almost the opposite in fact.

For me it refers to people who originally inhabited a land that has since been colonised by settlers, to an extent where the indigenous have become a minority and invariably discriminated against. North and South American Indians, Aboriginal Australians and New Zealand Maori.

If you asked me who were the indigenous people in Britain, then I would say the ancient Britons or Celts, the people who lived here before the Romans, Saxons, Vikings and Normans invaded these lands.

I can see now that the word means other things to other people, but before now I've never considered the word to be in the slightest offensive. Quite the opposite in fact. At least I've found that out before I unintentionally upset anybody on here.

 

[peteblue]

I'm not in any way disputing what you've said mate, but I have a completely different understanding of the word indigenous. Almost the opposite in fact.

For me it refers to people who originally inhabited a land that has since been colonised by settlers, to an extent where the indigenous have become a minority and invariably discriminated against. North and South American Indians, Aboriginal Australians and New Zealand Maori.

If you asked me who were the indigenous people in Britain, then I would say the ancient Britons or Celts, the people who lived here before the Romans, Saxons, Vikings and Normans invaded these lands.

I can see now that the word means other things to other people, but before now I've never considered the word to be in the slightest offensive. Quite the opposite in fact. At least I've found that out before I unintentionally upset anybody on here.

Indeed. Indigenous... ‘Naturally existing in a place or country rather than arriving from another place’.........

 

[peteblue]

Wow, some serious losing of heads going on in here.....

 

[peteblue]

However, if Mr Johnson is to secure a trade deal with Brussels, he will be forced to sacrifice British fisheries to do so according to Dominic Walsh, policy analyst for Open Europe.

He said: “The promises on fishing in the Conservative manifesto were vague, and leave Johnson with room to manoeuvre.

“All it said was that the UK would ‘take back control’ of our fishing waters; that doesn’t rule out reaching an agreement to allow EU fishing boats access to UK waters.

“Such an agreement is the price the Government will have to pay for a trade deal with the EU.

Roh oh.

I agree with this. Take back control and set the policy for fishing in U.K. waters. The U.K. fleet is no longer big enough for our fishing grounds and so obviously we will allow Eu countries to fish here, but following our rules. Over time, allocations will be adjusted depending on the recovery and growth of the U.K. fleet. It is a sensible approach and allows all sides to claim a win.......

 

[Harryflashman]

Indeed. Indigenous... ‘Naturally existing in a place or country rather than arriving from another place’.........

@Barnfred 55

I moved in on from the conversation as best as I could yesterday with my last post , however Peter I’m sure your far to an experienced and intelligent man to not accept that words like ‘indigenous ‘ haven’t been to some degree been hijacked by those that seek to twist and use the term for their own ends specifically when it comes to immigration.

To some degree I’d compare it to the flag (be yours slightly cut down to make your point ) in your profile . To you and to many the proud flag of this country but for a few years it was pretty much all but stolen by the far right . It never stopped being the flag but it doesn’t mean it couldn’t be abused

 

[WA Toffee]

I agree with this. Take back control and set the policy for fishing in U.K. waters. The U.K. fleet is no longer big enough for our fishing grounds and so obviously we will allow Eu countries to fish here, but following our rules. Over time, allocations will be adjusted depending on the recovery and growth of the U.K. fleet. It is a sensible approach and allows all sides to claim a win.......

We already had control of our waters within the EU. But hey, we can claim "a win" when the reality is nothing has changed.

What's next? claim we now get to use the pound instead of the Euro?

 

[Tea_drinker]

We already had control of our waters within the EU. But hey, we can claim "a win" when the reality is nothing has changed.

What's next? claim we now get to use the pound instead of the Euro?

Exactly, this type of thinking just sums up the stupidity of it all. Let's colour the North Sea pink, as if it's a return to the age of empire not just a meaningless totem to placate the rabid xenophobes, while business continues as it has for the last 30 years.

 

[Charlie Sweet]

@Barnfred 55

I moved in on from the conversation as best as I could yesterday with my last post , however Peter I’m sure your far to an experienced and intelligent man to not accept that words like ‘indigenous ‘ haven’t been to some degree been hijacked by those that seek to twist and use the term for their own ends specifically when it comes to immigration.

To some degree I’d compare it to the flag (be yours slightly cut down to make your point ) in your profile . To you and to many the proud flag of this country but for a few years it was pretty much all but stolen by the far right . It never stopped being the flag but it doesn’t mean it couldn’t be abused

Personally I think the flag needs to be replaced. Its tainted in my view.

 

[Walken]

Personally I think the flag needs to be replaced. Its tainted in my view.

Always been a butchers rag, would love to see a more accurate replacement

 

[Charlie Sweet]

I wonder how Brexit will be perceived in years to come?

 

[Harryflashman]

I wonder how Brexit will be perceived in years to come?

I’m a remainer but I hope it’s viewed as the thing that proves all the experts wrong again , that the predictions by pretty much everyone where ridiculously wide of the mark.

Personally I don’t have much confidence that that’ll happen but I certainly hope it does , I’ll take zero satisfaction from the predictions being right .

 

[Charlie Sweet]

I’m a remainer but I hope it’s viewed as the thing that proves all the experts wrong again , that the predictions by pretty much everyone where ridiculously wide of the mark.

Personally I don’t have much confidence that that’ll happen but I certainly hope it does , I’ll take zero satisfaction from the predictions being right .

Same. To an entent I'm insulated from the worst of Brexit with Irish passports for me and my family and my business shouldn't suffer too badly from Brexit - but equally I hope I'm wrong and it's okay.

I think looking back historians will view it as the defining point at which populism took hold and jingoistic headlines trumped facts and evidence.

 

[Joey66]

Same. To an entent I'm insulated from the worst of Brexit with Irish passports for me and my family and my business shouldn't suffer too badly from Brexit - but equally I hope I'm wrong and it's okay.

I think looking back historians will view it as the defining point at which populism took hold and jingoistic headlines trumped facts and evidence.

The same facts that Remainer;s predicted just daring to vote leave that bit the dust... I think it will take 4-5 years for it to be seen as a major success......

 

[JimmyJeffers]

Always been a butchers rag, would love to see a more accurate replacement

Follow him on insta. Very dark