Current Affairs EU In or Out

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  • In

    Votes: 688 67.9%

  • Out

    Votes: 325 32.1%
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peteblue said:
Both May and Corbyn went awol during the referendum. Only Boris actually stuck his neck out, and indeed probably carried the vote. Leave or Remain, Tory or Labour, Boris is the only leader we have because the first two weren’t/aren’t.....
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He didn't do it for any reason other than power. He doesn't even believe it. Absolutely spell-binding how you're trying to paint this as a positive and a sign of leadership.
 
Looks like a GE is off the cards - Boris says he will push for one - of course there’s very little he can do except maybe attempt to pass a bill (fraught with possible negative amendments) or allegedly(?) call a VONC in himself but then that gives Corbyn a chance to form a new govt and although the Rebel Alliance look disorganised now, faced with gaining power without having to call an election they may suddenly marshal themselves.

moving forward then and assuming a new deadline of 31 Jan, we have to address the issue of whether Boris, held hostage as PM, would ‘unpause’ the bill knowing it would be amended to death? Can it be paused indefinitely ?
 
Kev The Rat said:
Looks like a GE is off the cards - Boris says he will push for one - of course there’s very little he can do except maybe attempt to pass a bill (fraught with possible negative amendments) or allegedly(?) call a VONC in himself but then that gives Corbyn a chance to form a new govt and although the Rebel Alliance look disorganised now, faced with gaining power without having to call an election they may suddenly marshal themselves.
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It will happen as soon as the EU offer the extension. The only reason it isn't happening right now is because the extension hasn't been formalised.

For Corbyn to refuse one would be electoral suicide in the long run - he has no choice. It's more likely for Johnson to not want one now than Corbyn.
 
davek said:
You'll see how effective 'Johnson cant be trusted' is when people vote in a GE and they have the chance of backing a serial liar who promises them jam tomorrow.

He lies. Everyone knows this. It's not even contested in the media or by Tories. People vote with their pockets.
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I'd love your optimism, but I think people will disregard the lies and incompetence for a catchy slogan.

As you say - people will vote with their pockets and everyone in the Tory party, including Johnson, will be banging the drum about 'you can't trust Labour with the economy'.

Labour's argument, whether people like it or not, has to be consistent all the way through and unrelenting in it's delivery and I don't think as a party they are disciplined enough to coordinate it.
 
JEBUS_LIVES said:
I'd love your optimism, but I think people will disregard the lies and incompetence for a catchy slogan.

As you say - people will vote with their pockets and everyone in the Tory party, including Johnson, will be banging the drum about 'you can't trust Labour with the economy'.

Labour's argument, whether people like it or not, has to be consistent all the way through and unrelenting in it's delivery and I don't think as a party they are disciplined enough to coordinate it.
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The Tories are simply better at the moment at pretending to be centre-right when they need to, so they catch a broad appeal of people.

It's why Cameron won comfortably, for example.

The only hope Labour have is that the Tories shoot themselves in the foot by going hard right in an election campaign and coming across as lunatics. But even then, Corbyn exists so...
 
JEBUS_LIVES said:
I'd love your optimism, but I think people will disregard the lies and incompetence for a catchy slogan.

As you say - people will vote with their pockets and everyone in the Tory party, including Johnson, will be banging the drum about 'you can't trust Labour with the economy'.

Labour's argument, whether people like it or not, has to be consistent all the way through and unrelenting in it's delivery and I don't think as a party they are disciplined enough to coordinate it.
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Dont believe the 'Just get it done' vox pops all over the media are reflective of where we are. There's a silent majority out there who dont want a hard brexit or no deal. It's consistently shown in polls. Those people wont speak their mind in public, but they'll vote to reject Johnson in a ballot.
 
dead_soft said:
He didn't do it for any reason other than power. He doesn't even believe it. Absolutely spell-binding how you're trying to paint this as a positive and a sign of leadership.
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The irony that had the government used the weeks leading up to the end of October to explain the Withdrawal Agreement Bill and allow for debate on amendments before putting it to parliament to approve; instead of lying to the queen/lying to court in order to prorogue parliament - then he might have Brexit by now- seems to be lost on Pete and his fawning servility to Johnson.
 
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Tubey said:
It will happen as soon as the EU offer the extension. The only reason it isn't happening right now is because the extension hasn't been formalised.

For Corbyn to refuse one would be electoral suicide in the long run - he has no choice. It's more likely for Johnson to not want one now than Corbyn.
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Totally disagree. We already hear that Starmer and Thornberry are angling for a 2nd ref first in the hope of removing brexit from the agenda. Anyway, how much worse can Labour get in the polls? I would suggest forcing Boris to write begging extension letters ad Infinitum and forcing him to pull his withdrawal bill for fear of amendments both of which they can quite easily achieve given the HoC math, would go a long way to discrediting him in the eyes of the electorate possibly via a boost to Farage who will constantly shout ‘betrayal’ as each extension is given.
 
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Kev The Rat said:
Looks like a GE is off the cards - Boris says he will push for one - of course there’s very little he can do except maybe attempt to pass a bill (fraught with possible negative amendments) or allegedly(?) call a VONC in himself but then that gives Corbyn a chance to form a new govt and although the Rebel Alliance look disorganised now, faced with gaining power without having to call an election they may suddenly marshal themselves.

moving forward then and assuming a new deadline of 31 Jan, we have to address the issue of whether Boris, held hostage as PM, would ‘unpause’ the bill knowing it would be amended to death? Can it be paused indefinitely ?
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Kev The Rat said:
Totally disagree. We already hear that Starmer and Thornberry are angling for a 2nd ref first in the hope of removing brexit from the agenda. Anyway, how much worse can Labour get in the polls? I would suggest forcing Boris to write begging extension letters ad Infinitum and forcing him to pull his withdrawal bill for fear of amendments both of which they can quite easily achieve given the HoC math, would go a long way to discrediting him in the eyes of the electorate possibly via a boost to Farage who will constantly shout ‘betrayal’ as each extension is given.
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*Johnson
 
Tubey said:
Corbyn was blatantly half-hearted in his campaign to Remain. Which is understandable as he's a Brexiteer - his history proves as much.

Compare him to his election campaign in 2017 and it's chalk and cheese.
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The important difference between the two is that in 2017 a lot of PLP and the likes of Watson disappeared.
 
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