tsubaki
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The EU does need an army, though. Having an army on that scale prevents wars, not encourages them.
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The EU does need an army, though. Having an army on that scale prevents wars, not encourages them.
I agree with you there mate. Us brits should have the right to send our kids on our own illegal wars without the meddling EU getting involved.
Billy Dean
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Just go and sleep it off for a few hours mate.
davek
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This a great piece of double talk, Dave.
DUP may support cross-Border ‘co-operation’ to avoid backstop
Jim Shannon said party was looking at ‘practical methods’ to allow Brexit dealwww.irishtimes.com
They will go along with “cross border co-operation” to “avoid the Backstop”.
(that the Backstop is all about “cross border co-operation” is a fact to be ignored)
I have to hand it to them, though.....that is a splendid piece of spinning lol
The phrase 'not being able to see the wood for the trees' springs to mind.
The DUP are staunchly moving toward a staunch climbdown. Even the Daily Heil are calling it a climbdown.
As you say, mate, it's all about the spin now.
What conscript ever determines the war they fight?
Absolutely ridiculous statement
I heard a caller on radio 4 the other morning saying something along the lines of ‘these young uns won’t be so pro EU when their children are conscripted to fight in the EU army’ she said that her friends in Germany had told her this would be happening as a way of proving her point.
Nearly spewed out of my ears.
Barnfred 55
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I look at this and all I'm left thinking is does @Barnfred 55 process information via XML?
Guy's. Please don't link me in here again. Ta.
And eave my T shirt size out of it too.
Firstly thanks for the decent reply. It seems no leave voters will come in here (one said he won’t be posting again in this thread just a few days ago I believe. I can hardly blame him when so called mods like @Bruce Wayne call people paranoid for voicing their concerns, yet to him remain concerns are all legit)
But anyway, I don’t agree with your view about needing an EU army, but I respect your point of view.
So as I think is pretty obvious I voted leave. I do wonder sometimes though if I did the right thing.
I had decided to vote leave before the leave or remain campaigns started so I wasn’t influenced by any jargon either way.
I can see the good the EU does but I do wonder where their influence or want of power will stop.
Tax laws, I get the aim of it, to stop tax evasion, but shouldn’t Countries be doing that themselves
Veto? I read they plan to stop the veto.
Democracy, can you imagine if Scotland had voted to leave the UK but were still part of it 3 years later. I would be furious with the UK for not allowing them to leave amicably.
If I’d have known 3 years ago what I know now I’m not sure how I would have voted. I can see the remain concerns for jobs, free movement, trade and lots more.
But saying that democracy is just as important, if not more, as is a veto.
tsubaki
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It is, and the flaw with the EU is that it is a massive state but run and governed as if it is loads of little states in a really astonishingly inefficient way - and the reason for that is so the very large numbers of politicians and associated trades do not all lose their very well paid, very agreeable jobs.
If the EU said to the population of the EU that in 5-10 years we will all have the same tax rate, welfare system, healthcare system, foreign policy, immigration policy, civil rights, everyone would learn one language as well as their own and whatnot - and then said "now you lot go and decide what you want and vote for it", the problems of the EU would be very rapidly fixed, and we'd all live in a much better society.
The binman chronicles
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It doesn't need an army that is dressed in EU colours, but it might be good to have an agreement to cooperate in certain circumstances. I would say you could rely on NATO, but with America as they are at the moment it might be better to back a different horse. Due to our collective size it should be enough to make the USA and China to take note.
While I can understand some of that sentiment, I think, in the point you raise about democracy, that it is the UK parliament preventing the UK leaving, not the EU. The EU have agreed an agreement on the UK withdrawal from the EU, it's the UK giving uncertainty of the decision.
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Lads, I'm having something of a moralistic crisis. My preference for Remain is entirely motivated by selfishness, in that as someone who likes to travel, a strong pound is vitally important. But yet, when I look at strong leave voting areas, they don't have such a luxury.
Am I a selfish git?
Am I a selfish git?
Nah mate. I would say that low income individuals who have voted to leave the Eu, are not going to see an improvement in their life chances or opportunities at all. Most people’s vote is motivated by some sort of bias or selfishness I think
No more than most.
People cast their vote for a number reasons
They vote with their wallets...your good self.
Some even vote with their conscience / priciples
Poor people don't have full wallets and sometimes can't afford fine prinicples, so they mostly just vote against.
Those in between vote for change, because they know deep down they're not 'for' anything much, except a quiet life.
Then there are those (of all demographics) who just vote for which ever monkey on a stick the local party put up.
But this wasn't about the usual UK suspects, so many of the above hardly mattered, some canceled each other out and for some voters were out of play.
Hence the against / leave.
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