peteblue
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No this can't be true, because everyone on here keeps telling me it's the UK that's doomed and that we must bow down to our European masters.......
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No this can't be true, because everyone on here keeps telling me it's the UK that's doomed and that we must bow down to our European masters.......
bobbydigital
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Is Germany the only country in the EU? Will they be the only country with any negotiating input?
FFS get your head out of the sand and recognise the blatantly obvious
You couldn't be more right. But British finance doesn't invest in manufacturing. No one penny of the £350 billion plus of QE went to manufacturing. A large chunk of the money was lent to those in the Far East to invest in property in London. Hence the rise in prices. The rest went into the stock exchange and commodities.
Graphene is a wonder product invented in Manchester. Not one penny was received from the City of London for the research. It was EU money that enabled UMIST to do the research, followed by Chinese money. Who have now taken it to China to make things with it. A lost opportunity due finance capital not investing in manufacturing.
peteblue
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Hahaha......give us a break. These people worked for over 45 years to buy their houses, then they give money to their kids and then leave them their houses when they die. In terms of living standards you haven't got a clue what it was like in the 1950's, 60's, 70's and 80's. In terms of pensions, before good old Gordon Brown screwed them up, many had pensions based on paying into their companies and had no pensions black hole. The pension 'black hole' arrived when Brown took out all their money from the pensions and spent it on his pet projects.......
orchard
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peteblue
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What is this blatantly obvious of which you speak. Are you really suggesting that the largest, most wealthy and biggest growing economy in the Eu will not get its way ?
Have you actually looked at what the EU is......
Name Capital Accession Population[7] Area (km2)
Austria Vienna 1 January 1995 8,584,926 83,855
Belgium Brussels Founder 11,258,434 30,528
Bulgaria Sofia 1 January 2007 7,202,198 110,994
Croatia Zagreb 1 July 2013 4,225,316 56,594
Cyprus Nicosia 1 May 2004 1,141,166 9,251
Czech Republic Prague 1 May 2004 10,538,275 78,866
Denmark Copenhagen 1 January 1973 5,659,715 43,075
Estonia Tallinn 1 May 2004 1,313,271 45,227
Finland Helsinki 1 January 1995 5,471,753 338,424
France Paris Founder 66,352,469 640,679
Germany Berlin Founder[d] 81,174,000 357,021
Greece Athens 1 January 1981 10,812,467 131,990
Hungary Budapest 1 May 2004 9,849,000 93,030
Ireland Dublin 1 January 1973 4,625,885 70,273
Italy Rome Founder 60,795,612 301,338
Latvia Riga 1 May 2004 1,986,096 64,589
Lithuania Vilnius 1 May 2004 2,921,262 65,200
Luxembourg Luxembourg City Founder 562,958 2,586
Malta Valletta 1 May 2004 429,344 316
Netherlands Amsterdam Founder 16,900,726 41,543
Poland Warsaw 1 May 2004 38,005,614 312,685
Portugal Lisbon 1 January 1986 10,374,822 92,390
Romania Bucharest 1 January 2007 19,861,408 238,391
Slovakia Bratislava 1 May 2004 5,421,349 49,035
Slovenia Ljubljana 1 May 2004 2,062,874 20,273
Spain Madrid 1 January 1986 46,439,864 504,030
Sweden Stockholm 1 January 1995 9,747,355 449,964
This is the whole of Europe Not just EU By GDP
2014 Rank Country 2010 2011 2012 2013 2014
1 Germany 3,418.371 3,755.549 3,535.199 3,831.427 3,859.547
2 United Kingdom 2,409.409 2,594.114 2,624.291 2,680.123 2,945.146
3 France 2,651.772 2,865.304 2,688.210 2,807.306 2,846.889
4 Italy 2,130.586 2,280.315 2,076.370 2,137.615 2,147.952
5 Russia 1,524.915 1,904.790 2,015.154 2,079.134 1,857.461
6 Spain 1,434.257 1,495.968 1,356.483 1,393.476 1,406.855
7 Netherlands 837.949 894.576 823.595 853.806 866.354
8 Turkey 731.539 774.729 788.605 821.918 806.108
9 Switzerland 580.696 696.528 665.898 685.871 712.050
10 Sweden 488.378 563.110 579.526 570.137
11 Poland 476.528 524.104 496.687 526.031 546.644
12 Belgium 485.307 528.721 499.129 524.970 534.672
13 Norway 428.527 498.157 509.705 522.349 500.244
14 Austria 390.383 429.493 407.801 428.456 437.123
15 Denmark 319.812 341.498 322.277 335.878 340.806
16 Finland 248.262 273.925 256.849 268.281 271.165
17 Ireland 218.843 237.990 222.089 232.150 246.438
18 Greece 300.156 289.068 249.663 242.306 238.023
19 Portugal 238.748 245.120 216.488 224.983 230.012
20 Czech Republic 207.016 227.307 206.751 208.796 205.658
21 Romania 167.986 186.113 172.041 191.598 199.950
22 Hungary 129.585 139.447 126.825 133.424 137.104
23 Ukraine 136.011 163.307 175.707 179.572 130.660
24 Slovakia 89.173 97.621 92.799 97.743 99.971
25 Belarus 55.221 59.735 63.615 71.710 76.139
26 Luxembourg 52.241 59.010 56.323 60.150 62.395
27 Croatia 59.611 62.172 56.484 57.849 57.159
28 Bulgaria 48.782 55.799 52.613 54.517 55.837
29 Slovenia 48.060 51.299 46.288 48.005 49.506
30 Lithuania 37.155 43.478 42.828 46.426 48.232
31 Serbia 39.035 46.488 40.749 45.520 43.866
32 Latvia 24.112 28.488 28.343 30.838 31.970
33 Estonia 19.529 22.824 22.673 24.888 25.953
34 Cyprus 25.294 27.114 24.954 24.065 23.269
35 Bosnia and Herzegovina 16.847 18.318 16.906 17.852 17.977
36 Iceland 13.261 14.666 14.183 15.330 16.693
37 Albania 11.927 12.891 12.345 12.916 13.262
38 Macedonia 9.433 10.659 9.751 10.774 11.342
39 Malta 8.757 9.604 9.289 10.056 10.582
40 Moldova 5.813 7.018 7.283 7.985 7.944
41 Montenegro 4.118 4.500 4.048 4.419 4.462
42 San Marino 2.143 2.056 1.802 1.802 1.786
The majority of countries are a waste of space. There are only four or five worth doing business with and the biggest of which is Germany........
dandydan
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It was interesting to see immediately after brexit a meeting of the founder states was called. Why just them? Do they see the rest as colonies?
bobbydigital
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You seem to forget that Merkel has already told the UK that access to the single market will come with acceptance of freedom of movement for people.
Also, wouldn't any withdrawal and subsequent renegotiated agreement with the EU require the acceptance of all 27 EU members? (genuinely asking this)
"1. Any Member State may decide to withdraw from the Union in accordance with its own constitutional requirements.
2. A Member State which decides to withdraw shall notify the European Council of its intention. In the light of the guidelines provided by the European Council, the Union shall negotiate and conclude an agreement with that State, setting out the arrangements for its withdrawal, taking account of the framework for its future relationship with the Union. That agreement shall be negotiated in accordance with Article 218(3) of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union. It shall be concluded on behalf of the Union by the Council, acting by a qualified majority, after obtaining the consent of the European Parliament.
3. The Treaties shall cease to apply to the State in question from the date of entry into force of the withdrawal agreement or, failing that, two years after the notification referred to in paragraph 2, unless the European Council, in agreement with the Member State concerned, unanimously decides to extend this period.
4. For the purposes of paragraphs 2 and 3, the member of the European Council or of the Council representing the withdrawing Member State shall not participate in the discussions of the European Council or Council or in decisions concerning it.
A qualified majority shall be defined in accordance with Article 238(3)(b) of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union.
5. If a State which has withdrawn from the Union asks to rejoin, its request shall be subject to the procedure referred to in Article 49".
No one knows what will happen. As it hasn't happened before and I believe the EU thought it would never happen.
bobbydigital
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So we don't know who will lead our negotiations, don't know what kind of model we will be negotiating for and don't know how the negotiations will be accepted and ratified?
Off to a good start
In a way nailed it in one. As every day passes and there is turmoil on the exchanges the UK's position weakens. Which is why there are Tories saying that the election of leadership vote should be cut short.
So the second largest economy has no say then? Ridiculous to say that the UK has no voice as the second largest member of the EU.
Ex-member now though.
Indeed...spurred on by fear mongering get off my lawn types.
It's worth remembering that probably the majority of modern trade deals aren't to do with tariffs and so on but rather more regulatory things to ensure that standards and so on are unified between the two countries, whether in terms of product quality, tax regulations and even labour laws so that providers in each country aren't given 'unfair' advantage over another.
It's why the notion of global trade integration and complete sovereignty over our affairs is a bit of a myth.
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