Current Affairs EU In or Out

In or Out

  • In

    Votes: 688 67.9%

  • Out

    Votes: 325 32.1%
  • Total voters
    1,013
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Xizor said:
"Nurse! Where are PeteBlue's x-rays? We sent them off to the lab in France for analysis weeks ago and we're operating in 10 minutes!"
"Sorry, Doctor, all that came back was this blue passport with a post-it note saying 'bon chance PierreBleu' "
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Everything will take more time. If you think they delay exists in the NHS now, when you can order medical equipment from the Netherlands, Scandinavia and Germany and get it the next day, what is it going to be like when we have no freedom of goods and services.

It won't mean it won't get there at all, but it will be a delay and currently a lot of trusts aren't set up to receive clinical devices and goods out if hours, so that will have to be a resource that is now in place to accommodate a No Deal.

It doesn't take much to disrupt the system in the NHS for patients to start feeling the effects and the bracket that will be hit will be the most vulnerable of patients but also those in the 60+ bracket. I hope that when the inevitable demand that 'something be done about it' the answer comes firmly back 'this is what you voted for' and the 1.8b is a drop in the ocean compared to what needed.
 
JEBUS_LIVES said:
So we give them an amnesty to stay - what status do they take on in the eyes of the UK?

I'm not arguing here, I've just not heard the proposal - barely looked at the news in the past week or so.
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If they are paying NI and tax they will be given a amanesty......
Why send them home if they are contributing to our economy....
If they are taking out Korean they put the n then it's an illegal act.....
 
Joey66 said:
If they are paying NI and tax they will be given a amanesty......
Why send them home if they are contributing to our economy....
If they are taking out Korean they put the n then it's an illegal act.....
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But to be paying NI and Tax they have to be registered in the UK. Illegal immigrants can't do that regardless of if they are working or not.
 
JEBUS_LIVES said:
Everything will take more time. If you think they delay exists in the NHS now, when you can order medical equipment from the Netherlands, Scandinavia and Germany and get it the next day, what is it going to be like when we have no freedom of goods and services.

It won't mean it won't get there at all, but it will be a delay and currently a lot of trusts aren't set up to receive clinical devices and goods out if hours, so that will have to be a resource that is now in place to accommodate a No Deal.

It doesn't take much to disrupt the system in the NHS for patients to start feeling the effects and the bracket that will be hit will be the most vulnerable of patients but also those in the 60+ bracket. I hope that when the inevitable demand that 'something be done about it' the answer comes firmly back 'this is what you voted for' and the 1.8b is a drop in the ocean compared to what needed.
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The truly bonkers thing is, to the best of my knowledge, Pete used to work at a senior level in a major manufacturer, so you'd think he would know only too well how lean supply chains are these days. There isn't really any slack to be found, so even small delays would have a significant impact. That he seems willing to overlook what his professional experience must be telling him in favour of tub thumping nationalism is probably a good study for someone somewhere. Without invoking Godwin's Law, you can easily see how otherwise reasonable people performed the most horrendous acts in the past due to their brains being washed in chlorinated water.
 
Bruce Wayne said:
The truly bonkers thing is, to the best of my knowledge, Pete used to work at a senior level in a major manufacturer, so you'd think he would know only too well how lean supply chains are these days. There isn't really any slack to be found, so even small delays would have a significant impact. That he seems willing to overlook what his professional experience must be telling him in favour of tub thumping nationalism is probably a good study for someone somewhere. Without invoking Godwin's Law, you can easily see how otherwise reasonable people performed the most horrendous acts in the past due to their brains being washed in chlorinated water.
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Pete said if we had followed his plan 3 years ago, it would all be sorted now.

Instead, he bought a pub.

Disappointing.
 
roydo said:
So low paid immigrants who are so low paid they pay no tax and receive in work benefits get booted?
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The sad reality is that far too many are trafficked here with their passports stolen and made to work in various unmentionable situations. We spoke with a Czech girl in a homeless shelter once who had come here on a 'work scheme' to work in a pub, learn the lingo and all that. Like young people do. She had her passport stolen and when she complained she was thrown out and ended up on the streets. She felt too ashamed to call home for help. There are horrendous criminals working in this area, exploiting and abusing people who just want to better their lives.

Sadly, we have a culture at the moment where we go down on the victims like a ton of bricks, and ignore the criminals entirely. It's shameful.
 
random said:
You hope for this scenario ? really ?

Not an attitude I would want to have, but each to their own I guess.



Lets hope so.
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Sorry I wasn't clear on that. My point was more around the way that this will be spun. I fear one of the motives for no deal is to see the NHS open to less regulation and external markets, ultimately moving to an insurance based system.

If, in the event of No Deal, the impacts are as I described above, and all of the current models I see suggest that it will, there will be those (Farage, Rees Mogg) pushing for a change to the model and people will naturally look at the current system and believe it needs change - and that will be towards insurance based (because all hard working people will have it via their employer but all the immigrants and scroungers who bleed the system won't get access).

There needs to be honesty and accountability around these decisions and, if as people suggested they did vote for it, then live with the consequences.

Nobody working in the NHS wants patients to be adversely affected.
 
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Bruce Wayne said:
The sad reality is that far too many are trafficked here with their passports stolen and made to work in various unmentionable situations. We spoke with a Czech girl in a homeless shelter once who had come here on a 'work scheme' to work in a pub, learn the lingo and all that. Like young people do. She had her passport stolen and when she complained she was thrown out and ended up on the streets. She felt too ashamed to call home for help. There are horrendous criminals working in this area, exploiting and abusing people who just want to better their lives.

Sadly, we have a culture at the moment where we go down on the victims like a ton of bricks, and ignore the criminals entirely. It's shameful.
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In my last job I spent a huge amount of time working with people trafficked into the UK. People free to move then coerced into working for free. The deterioration you see in people who have been exploited or subject to slavery even after 6 months is frightening, let alone those that have been held for years.

Many dint want to stay in the UK, they want to return to their families. But the difference between police forces and how they treat these people varies massively. Some are very good, others just see the victim at fault.
 
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