Current Affairs EU In or Out

[SteveSC]

One day you will engage in intelligent discussion, well at least I hope so.......until that day I expect to read your usual sniping comments........

The king of sniping comments once again turns to calling people stupid to get his point across.

There have been plenty of intelligent facts and figures and points made toward you by many and they get the same stubborn responses about your experience, how you want out simple as that, Ireland is a disgrace and the evil EU is out to get you.

You are not interested in intelligent debate you never have been. That's a guise.

Once anyone throws facts at you, you turn to snide.

 

[peteblue]

The king of sniping comments once again turns to calling people stupid to get his point across.

There have been plenty of intelligent facts and figures and points made toward you by many and they get the same stubborn responses about your experience, how you want out simple as that, Ireland is a disgrace and the evil EU is out to get you.

You are not interested in intelligent debate you never have been. That's a guise.

Once anyone throws facts at you, you turn to snide.

Would you care to throw some.....

 

[peteblue]

I have, but I have never lobbed the lot on Black. Or Red.

And neither are we, just a small percentage......

 

[Ruairi77]

And neither are we, just a small percentage......

You’ve no idea what that percentage is.

 

[Carl O'Ancelotti]

One day you will engage in intelligent discussion, well at least I hope so.......until that day I expect to read your usual sniping comments........

I only engage in intelligent discussion with people who know what they are talking about.. When it comes to Ireland, particularly Irish politics, that excludes you I"m afraid.

 

[SteveSC]

Would you care to throw some.....

Nah you're alright. Debating with you is like debating with a wall. You are stubborn and don't listen to reason or fact and always try prove a point by regaling us about your families heritage or your own professional history like we are all just to go "ah ok that's good enough".

The way you talk to people when they challenge you is childish.

It's pointless quite frankly.

I'll expect you to turn it back on me now or try to make some smarmy smart ar** response.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Evidence accumulation is biased by motivation: A computational account

Author summary People tend to gather information before making judgments. As information is often unlimited a decision has to be made as to when the data is sufficient to reach a conclusion. Here, we show that the decision to stop gathering data is influenced by whether the data points towards...

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New research from UCL basically finds that people stop searching for evidence when it supports a conclusion they find undesirable @BigBlueNose

 

[Frang]

Evidence accumulation is biased by motivation: A computational account

Author summary People tend to gather information before making judgments. As information is often unlimited a decision has to be made as to when the data is sufficient to reach a conclusion. Here, we show that the decision to stop gathering data is influenced by whether the data points towards...

doi.org

New research from UCL basically finds that people stop searching for evidence when it supports a conclusion they find undesirable @BigBlueNose

yes your the master of it brucie boy.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

yes your the master of it brucie boy.

I've lost count of the number of articles and studies highlighting how Brexit will be a roaring success. Burying them all is hard work but a worthy endeavour I feel.

 

[degsy]

I only engage in intelligent discussion with people who know what they are talking about.. When it comes to Ireland, particularly Irish politics, that excludes you I"m afraid.

'The Irish Question' has puzzled almost everybody, including The Irish for hundreds of years. As soon as somebody gets near half an anwser the question gets changed.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Incidentally, just had this from the House of Lords

The House of Lords EU Justice Sub-Committee has written to Lord Chancellor David Gauke warning him of the real risk that Brexit poses to human rights protections in the United Kingdom.
The Committee has been taking evidence since March, as part of its wider work investigating the current likely impact that Brexit will have on the rights after Brexit. The Committee took evidence from lawyers, academics, representations of the devolved nations, and the Equality and Human Rights Commission.
The Committee’s concerns fall into four areas:
1) Diminution of rights protections in the United Kingdom
The Charter of Fundamental Rights, which will not apply in the UK after Brexit, currently protects certain rights which are not covered by the European Convention on Human Rights, for example the freestanding right to equality. Certain rights have greater protection under the Charter including the right to protection of personal data. The Charter also provides stronger legal remedies for individuals whose rights have been infringed.
2) Risk of a fragmented approach to rights protections across the UK
The devolved nations have different approaches to rights, and are subject to EU law in differing ways, for example the Equality Act 2010 does not extend to Northern Ireland and thus the Charter was seen to underpin rights protections; whereas in Scotland the Scottish Government is contemplating a Bill to provide “human rights leadership”, as well as seeking to ensure that rights in Scotland cannot be scaled back after Brexit.
3) The position of the UK judiciary on the Court of Justice of the European Union
The uncertainty for UK judges and their staff is undesirable, and the Committee has asked the Lord Chancellor for an update.
4) The UK’s future relationship, after Brexit, with the European Convention on Human Rights
Although the current Government is committed to maintaining the UK’s promotion and protection of human rights, no reassurances were provided for future governments.
Chair of the House of Lords EU Justice Sub-Committee Baroness Kennedy of The Shaws said: “There is a very real risk that after Brexit the rights of UK citizens will be less protected than they are currently. We have taken significant evidence during this inquiry, and previously, and remain unconvinced by the Government’s response.
"UK lawyers have been leading contributors to EU human rights law. So it's ironic that UK citizens post-Brexit will have diminished human rights protections, less access to remedies and face legal uncertainty. Worryingly, future ministers will also be able to change such rights without adequate Parliamentary scrutiny".

From https://www.parliament.uk/documents...toDGSoS-RightsafterBrexitInquiry-25.06.19.pdf

 

[Frang]

Incidentally, just had this from the House of Lords



From https://www.parliament.uk/documents...toDGSoS-RightsafterBrexitInquiry-25.06.19.pdf

we should call Brexit off immediately.

 

[Old Blue 2]

I have, but I have never lobbed the lot on Black. Or Red.

I've not posted in here for a long time, for good reason.

But I thought I would just post this up...

IF - Rudyard Kipling​

If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you,
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
But make allowance for their doubting too;
If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
Or being lied about, don't deal in lies,
Or being hated, don't give way to hating,
And yet don't look too good, nor talk too wise:

If you can dream – and not make dreams your master;
If you can think – and not make thoughts your aim;
If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster
And treat those two impostors just the same;
If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken
Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken,
And stoop and build 'em up with worn-out tools:

If you can make one heap of all your winnings
And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
And lose, and start again at your beginnings
And never breathe a word about your loss;
If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
To serve your turn long after they are gone,
And so hold on when there is nothing in you
Except the Will which says to them: 'Hold on!'

If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
Or walk with Kings – nor lose the common touch,
If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you,
If all men count with you, but none too much;
If you can fill the unforgiving minute
With sixty seconds' worth of distance run,
Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it,
And – which is more – you'll be a Man, my son!

 

[Bruce Wayne]

I've not posted in here for a long time, for good reason.

But I thought I would just post this up...

IF - Rudyard Kipling​

If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you,
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
But make allowance for their doubting too;
If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
Or being lied about, don't deal in lies,
Or being hated, don't give way to hating,
And yet don't look too good, nor talk too wise:

If you can dream – and not make dreams your master;
If you can think – and not make thoughts your aim;
If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster
And treat those two impostors just the same;
If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken
Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken,
And stoop and build 'em up with worn-out tools:

If you can make one heap of all your winnings
And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
And lose, and start again at your beginnings
And never breathe a word about your loss;
If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
To serve your turn long after they are gone,
And so hold on when there is nothing in you
Except the Will which says to them: 'Hold on!'

If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
Or walk with Kings – nor lose the common touch,
If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you,
If all men count with you, but none too much;
If you can fill the unforgiving minute
With sixty seconds' worth of distance run,
Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it,
And – which is more – you'll be a Man, my son!

Is quoting an imperial racist a wise move?

 

[Ruairi77]

If you can make one heap of all your winnings
And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
And lose, and start again at your beginnings
And never breathe a word about your loss;
If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
To serve your turn long after they are gone,
And so hold on when there is nothing in you
Except the Will which says to them: 'Hold on!'

but it's not just about you, it's about your kids and their kids.
It's about the future generations who have to live with your choice even though the vast majority of them disagree with it.
So you might be able to gamble everything you have, lose, keep quiet, and start again but this isn't about you, it's abut the twenty somethings who don't want to risk one heap of all their winnings because they don't enjoy the security you did at their age.