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[Jebus_lives]

And incidentally Frank, it seems to be a trend on this thread, and probably elsewhere, that Brexiters bemoan reports, predictions and studies highlighting the damaging effect of Brexit on various aspects of British life. These reports reflect 'project fear' and the like, and only tell one side of the story, almost as though, as you just have, it's down to people who think we should stay to figure out why leaving is going to be a great thing.

This is an open forum, so if you have news of how Brexit is helping Britain or reports from respected bodies on how it might do in the future, then I'm sure they would be gratefully received. Heck, it might even help to convince remain voters that this might be okay after all. You can be that man Frank. I believe in you.

I genuinely dont think I've ever seen any statistical analysis or reports that suggest Brexit and particularly a 'No Deal' will be a beneficial thing.

I'd love to see some.

Probably indicative of the approach of people in the respective camps. Remain seems to be a more logical and evidential approach, whereas Leave seems to be driven by emotion.

 

[jaycee]

I find it surprising that amid shouts of "project fear" theres a total lack of "project cheer" highlighting the huge benefits of leave

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Are you in the USA yet?
The jet lag has not worked as it still googling guff........ lollol

I was up at 4am this morning (local time). Thankfully I'll be at a bourbon distillery later so I'm sure that will keep me awake. For what it's worth, the Oxford research was sent to me as I'm a 'friend' of Said Business School. Not sure there has been any news coverage of it yet, although I suspect it won't be long.

 

[Jebus_lives]

Brexit ‘already causing medicine shortages’ at pharmacies in England

Concession-priced medicine list is longest it has been since system was introduced

www.theguardian.com

Not entirely Brexit related this, but it is a taster of the sort of conversations that will be ongoing if we leave - even more so if there is no deal.

Chinese H&S laws have caused some medicines shortages and the other factors listed in the article, but make no mistake medicines will become very expensive and shortages will increase.

Incidentally, all that 6 week stockpiling of medicines presumably will start to perish over the course of the extension...

 

[Bruce Wayne]

I genuinely dont think I've ever seen any statistical analysis or reports that suggest Brexit and particularly a 'No Deal' will be a beneficial thing.

I'd love to see some.

Probably indicative of the approach of people in the respective camps. Remain seems to be a more logical and evidential approach, whereas Leave seems to be driven by emotion.

The maddening thing is that a lot of leave voters are happy to chuck around labels such as metropolitan elite or bemoan being thought of as dummies who didn't really think things through, which is fair enough, but if you don't want to be thought of it in those ways, then it helps if your thought processes are a little more advanced from religious fervour where you just believe something to be so, therefore it must be.

 

[Jebus_lives]

I was up at 4am this morning (local time). Thankfully I'll be at a bourbon distillery later so I'm sure that will keep me awake. For what it's worth, the Oxford research was sent to me as I'm a 'friend' of Said Business School. Not sure there has been any news coverage of it yet, although I suspect it won't be long.

Oh which one?

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Brexit ‘already causing medicine shortages’ at pharmacies in England

Concession-priced medicine list is longest it has been since system was introduced

www.theguardian.com

Not entirely Brexit related this, but it is a taster of the sort of conversations that will be ongoing if we leave - even more so if there is no deal.

Chinese H&S laws have caused some medicines shortages and the other factors listed in the article, but make no mistake medicines will become very expensive and shortages will increase.

Incidentally, all that 6 week stockpiling of medicines presumably will start to perish over the course of the extension...

I don't think it's been reported too much, but one of the obvious consequences of the bungling of Brexit has been that the planned shut down of various car plants to allow for whatever Brexit delivered on March the whenever have still gone ahead because, unlike the politicians, the car industry have to plan these things in and can't spin on a dime whenever public opinion turns against them. So the chances are that they will have to do a similar shut down whenever we do actually leave.

As the Oxford report said, Brexit is death by a thousand cuts.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Oh which one?

Woodford Reserve I believe it's called.

 

[Jebus_lives]

The maddening thing is that a lot of leave voters are happy to chuck around labels such as metropolitan elite or bemoan being thought of as dummies who didn't really think things through, which is fair enough, but if you don't want to be thought of it in those ways, then it helps if your thought processes are a little more advanced from religious fervour where you just believe something to be so, therefore it must be.

I think it's fair to say that the worship of a 'Glorious Empire' fuels much of it.

People longing for a period of history they never lived through.

 

[orchard]

Woodford Reserve I believe it's called.

Wasted on the likes of you lid

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Wasted on the likes of you lid

Oh undoubtedly. I hope they serve nice tea.

 

[Joey66]

I was up at 4am this morning (local time). Thankfully I'll be at a bourbon distillery later so I'm sure that will keep me awake. For what it's worth, the Oxford research was sent to me as I'm a 'friend' of Said Business School. Not sure there has been any news coverage of it yet, although I suspect it won't be long.

Can't believe that Bruce you have a friend lol
Have a nice trip

 

[orchard]

Oh undoubtedly. I hope they serve nice tea.

Christ, you're a wrongun x

 

[Bruce Wayne]

I think it's fair to say that the worship of a 'Glorious Empire' fuels much of it.

People longing for a period of history they never lived through.

Yeah it's a funny one isn't it? If you take agriculture as an example (as there was the bloke on the news about his fruit pickers coming from Bulgaria), if there was at least a slight hint that British workers were saying "I'll have some of that work thank you very much", then you could take that as a sign that the British jobs for British workers schtick might have some basis, but that hasn't happened to my knowledge, and even the farmer in the news is talking in terms of getting foreign workers of some kind, whether from within the EU or outside. There's no notion that British workers are lining up for this kind of work.

 

[Jebus_lives]

Woodford Reserve I believe it's called.

Very nice. There's a few good ones out of Chicago.