Current Affairs EU In or Out

[Joey66]

There are a loads of right wing nutters around, not just in this country but around the world and across every race and religion, and it's fair to say that they are responsible for most of the hate flying around and most likely practically all of the serious hate crime too. I agree with you on that, assuming that's your stance.

I also accept that we, in the UK, have a problem with right wing thugs, and that they are very capable of being behind these threats that we are seeing.

A lot of this hate is prevalent on social media and the authorities, despite having massive amounts of modern technology at their disposal, are seemingly unable to do anything about it. So obviously whoever are perpetrating these death threats are able to cover their tracks, so must have access to sophisticated internet security technology themselves.

We know for certain that the Russians use social media to undermine and destabilise countries, and to try and affect election outcomes. The notion that they may be behind a lot of the hate being spread on social media is not so much a conspiracy as a logical extension to what we already know. The alternative of course is that it's nothing to do with the Russians, which means that there must be a well structured and well financed organisation behind the right wing thugs, which is even more of an issue.

The problem is that we don't know for certain who is behind it, and therefore can't do anything to tackle it, which means it will continue. That is the real problem here and what we should be striving to get to the bottom of. That's all I'm saying.

Remain politicians not just like Dominic Green have yet to face the backlash on not accepting the democratic decision - Even May's deal heard about what's in it other than the Irish backstop its appalling - it is a Remain leave .... yet parliment still wont pass it........
No wonder the other 27 countries signed it so quickly its totally in their favour ........

 

[Jebus_lives]

I dont use the powers as Google like you do if you were in a School exam you would be caught out for cheating.......
I still see you have not answered my post on the audit of the EU Budget ....?
3 times I requested it , yet you post this rubbish trying to demean me ........

I have only just come back onto the forum since you asked the question, which I told you I'd missed.

My daughter was ill yesterday, so I wasn't on as I thought that cleaning her diarrhea, was better than reading yours.

 

[Barnfred 55]

Remain politicians not just like Dominic Green have yet to face the backlash on not accepting the democratic decision - Even May's deal heard about what's in it other than the Irish backstop its appalling - it is a Remain leave .... yet parliment still wont pass it........
No wonder the other 27 countries signed it so quickly its totally in their favour ........

I'm not sure who Dominic Green is Joey, but all politicians who don't represent their constituents properly have to face up to them and, if need be, go through the democratic process of deselection. If they aren't deselected people then have the democratic right NOT to vote for them. There is no place for hate mail or death threats in the process, whichever side you are on. That's what this discussion has been about.

 

[Joey66]

I'm not sure who Dominic Green is Joey, but all politicians who don't represent their constituents properly have to face up to them and, if need be, go through the democratic process of deselection. If they aren't deselected people then have the democratic right NOT to vote for them. There is no place for hate mail or death threats in the process, whichever side you are on. That's what this discussion has been about.

He's had the vote of no confidence from his Tory branch, and wonders why - no death threats just betrayal of him persisting to oppose leaving after signing article 50 then leading the Remain charge.......
As I suggested the MPs who decide to know what's best for the constuients when they voted Out are in for a big shake up come the next GE by then Farage will have a Brexit party in full flow.......

 

[Jebus_lives]

I'm not sure who Dominic Green is Joey, but all politicians who don't represent their constituents properly have to face up to them and, if need be, go through the democratic process of deselection. If they aren't deselected people then have the democratic right NOT to vote for them. There is no place for hate mail or death threats in the process, whichever side you are on. That's what this discussion has been about.

Given the referendum wasn't based around constituencies, it's pretty difficult to say with certainty what the constituency actual voted for.

Only a handful of constituencies actually have the details on voting.

Dominic Grieve is the former Attorney General

 

[Jebus_lives]

He's had the vote of no confidence from his Tory branch, and wonders why - no death threats just betrayal of him persisting to oppose leaving after signing article 50 then leading the Remain charge.......
As I suggested the MPs who decide to know what's best for the constuients when they voted Out are in for a big shake up come the next GE by then Farage will have a Brexit party in full flow.......

He says otherwise. He's on numerous occasions said he's received death threats. But I know you don't let facts get in the way of your assertions..

 

[Barnfred 55]

That is what I focussed on. Why were they permitted a platform? If you are sharing your political showtime with bigots and racists then it is reasonable to expect you to consider where this is all going?

As I said, the only protesters I saw on Friday were the peaceful kind. Middle aged or older, mainly couples. Just ordinary people who had probably turned up at parliament because it was the day they believed we should have been leaving the EU. It didn't even look organised to me, more spontaneous. Those people couldn't have stopped Tommy Spunkbrains and his thugs if they tried. In fact they were most probably terrified themselves.

However, I was all Brexited out by mid afternoon and stopped watching, so missed everything that went after. If it was an organised event I would expect the organisers to at least publically distance themselves from Robinson and his ilk, and stress in the strongest terms that they do not represent the average person who voted to leave.

You also need to understand that people like me were not influenced by or supporters of the Leave Campaign. In fact we consider them a complete embarrassment.

 

[Walken]

I dont use the powers as Google like you do if you were in a School exam you would be caught out for cheating.......
I still see you have not answered my post on the audit of the EU Budget ....?
3 times I requested it , yet you post this rubbish trying to demean me ........

you definitely shouldnt be accusing people if this, you routinely dodge direct questions with random unrelated replies, in all honesty Joe on brexit you remind me of jesse lee peterson

 

[Walken]

Remain politicians not just like Dominic Green have yet to face the backlash on not accepting the democratic decision - Even May's deal heard about what's in it other than the Irish backstop its appalling - it is a Remain leave .... yet parliment still wont pass it........
No wonder the other 27 countries signed it so quickly its totally in their favour ........

what backlash do you desire he face, more death threats?

 

[Barnfred 55]

He's had the vote of no confidence from his Tory branch, and wonders why - no death threats just betrayal of him persisting to oppose leaving after signing article 50 then leading the Remain charge.......
As I suggested the MPs who decide to know what's best for the constuients when they voted Out are in for a big shake up come the next GE by then Farage will have a Brexit party in full flow.......

So you're referring to Dominic Grieve Joey. Yes he and the likes of Oliver Letwin will have a lot to answer for when he confronts his constituents.

A lot of Labour MPs will have a similar problem too. Although well over 60% voted to remain, 53% of their constituencies actually voted leave so there could be a bit of a backlash for some of them. The other issue with Labour is that Momentum controls many of their constituencies and they would undoubtedly prefer one of their own to stand as MP rather than the incumbent. In the lead up to an election I can see many more MPs jumping ship to this new Independent party.

I also wouldn't go overboard about Farage's Brexit party just yet. They will attract some Brexit votes, mainly the far right wing ones I suspect, but I think they'll require more legitimacy before the mainstream votes follow. For me, that all depends on what happens with the Tory party and who takes over as leader in place of May. If that person isn't to the liking of the ERG, then I can se maybe as many as 100 Tory MPs joining, and that's a game changer.

I wouldn't be at all shocked if you end up with 4 main parties vying for our votes at the next election. It's certainly going to be interesting I think.

 

[Armaghtoffee]

As I said, the only protesters I saw on Friday were the peaceful kind. Middle aged or older, mainly couples. Just ordinary people who had probably turned up at parliament because it was the day they believed we should have been leaving the EU. It didn't even look organised to me, more spontaneous. Those people couldn't have stopped Tommy Spunkbrains and his thugs if they tried. In fact they were most probably terrified themselves.

However, I was all Brexited out by mid afternoon and stopped watching, so missed everything that went after. If it was an organised event I would expect the organisers to at least publically distance themselves from Robinson and his ilk, and stress in the strongest terms that they do not represent the average person who voted to leave.

You also need to understand that people like me were not influenced by or supporters of the Leave Campaign. In fact we consider them a complete embarrassment.

You have your reasons for how you voted and that’s fair enough mate. You have explained them well here and I give you credit for that in a very strongly pro Remain forum.

Like it or not though, the Leave campaign is now being publicly driven by right wing racists, arch bigots and self serving rich politicians who are only concerned with personal gain. If that was who my political bedfellows were then I personally would be wondering what the hell did I just vote for?

 

[Joey66]

what backlash do you desire he face, more death threats?

The backlash is any MP going against the democratic vote.....
The death threats are out of order their right to be MP is rightly up for deselection.....

 

[Joey66]

you definitely shouldnt be accusing people if this, you routinely dodge direct questions with random unrelated replies, in all honesty Joe on brexit you remind me of jesse lee peterson

You remind me of Jezza Momentum that's stoping a labour government getting elected......

 

[Joey66]

He says otherwise. He's on numerous occasions said he's received death threats. But I know you don't let facts get in the way of your assertions..

Death threats are numerous I do not condone that -deselecting MPs who have gone against the costinuencies wishes is there problem , and they must have realised this or in their ivory towers they simply forgot......

 

[Jebus_lives]

you definitely shouldnt be accusing people if this, you routinely dodge direct questions with random unrelated replies, in all honesty Joe on brexit you remind me of jesse lee peterson

He answered his own post. He for annoyed that I pointed it out.