Current Affairs EU In or Out

In or Out

  • In

    Votes: 688 67.9%

  • Out

    Votes: 325 32.1%
  • Total voters
    1,013
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roydo said:
Some are mate. Some are making a show of themselves.
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our government seem to care more about the EU than they do its own population. that is what im getting at.

if its wrong of me to think like that then so be it. but that's how I see it
 
Armel said:
At this point I’m fairly certain that I could get more than half to vote for the U.K leaving the E.U. Simply by factually describing the entire membership.

One of the reasons of why during the sixties the U.K was hoping to join was a) to join in on the prosperity resulting from the abolition of tariffs between member-states b) sabotage: member states were talking about further integration, on an agricultural level etc... . They feared a powerful political block. So the best thing to do was join; that way you could influence the plans or torpedo them.

Maastricht. All the opt-outs, the others wanted a closer union. Cue whining Brits because from then on they complained they were not consulted enough about the political plans from the others – even though they wanted nothing to do with it and in quite a few cases campaigned against. Another fine example of one the dreadful things that Brits opposed: a minimum period of maternity leave (honestly I could go on; a week ago a newspaper published a list of all the things the Brits were against and it went on forever). Everything became a fight.

The U.K championed expansion of the E.U ; again served two purposes: 1) bigger market= more money 2) more member states=more difficult decision making process. Side-effect was off course the Eastern and Central-Europeans in the U.K. Already typed something about that.

I noticed you keep mentioning (I mean this in a neutral way btw) the amount of Brits that the E.U employs atm. One of the many reasons is that, somewhere in the years 2000 the U.K scrapped one of the training programs that had resulted in quite a share of the key civil servant jobs in the E.U going to Brits. Too expensive. Around the same time, they started sending over B quality to work groups.

Or to quote Rodgers if you like (the former E.U ambassador), stating that almost all the instructions he received from London were negative: block this, torpedo that …. Again some things are ironical (and again typical of the Brits in the E.U); one of the things he absolutely had to block was Galileo: guess who wants to participate now… .

Another prime piece of Brit cherry picking. The increasing collaboration concerning departments of justice. Brits opted out. Later on they hand-picked a few cherries though: like the European Arrest Warrant.

So to conclude: U.K out is by far the best solution for everyone involved. Ideally later on a Canada deal, taking into account Ireland. The amount of autographs for that petition is irrelevant.

Now we are in a situation where the knowledge concerning the E.U is at an all-time low amongst U.K civil servants and politicians. Many knowledgeable people have been side-tracked. A lot of the MP’s are proposing solutions that are completely unworkable (they lack knowledge) either politically or legally (mostly the latter). May thought that she could cherry-pick like always … Again Rodgers (one of the few people, actually knowledgeable on the topic), tried to explain to her how the internal market worked. She refused to listen thinking again you could cherry-pick when everyone that knows a bit of European law (an introductory course suffices) knows differently, the poor guy resigned quite quickly. And then somehow the idea became wide-spread that the deal isn’t good (again not a thousand ways to do this). What a show.
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Cheers mate.

Always good to get the perspective from the other side. I didn't know about that training plan in 2000 being pulled but, even so, I don't think it's fair to blame that for the lack of Brits working for the EU. I agree it will be a factor though.

I think it's fair to say that most people in this country, both remain and leave voters, think that the EU actually want the UK to stay in the union. They'll be surprised to find out that's not necessarily the case. Remain voters especially will put the blame on Brexit for this, but it's clear from the 2 or 3 posts you've done on this that it stretches back much further. Basically you are as fed up with the UK as a lot of people in the UK are with the EU. I'm sure very few Brits will be aware that we've been such pains in the arses over the years.lol

Nobody who has given it much thought could actually want to leave with no deal, so it's clear to me that, the best result for both sides of the channel would be an orderly withdrawal, which is what the deal on the table gives us. No it isn't going to give us everything we want, and there has to be a large amount of trust involved as regards the backstop, but for me it's the only way forward if we are to leave. The alternative is to remain, and all that will do is extend the inevitable and in the meantime the two sides drift further apart. And I'm talking EU and UK here, not remain/leave, although that will happen too no doubt.

Sadly I think the deal on the table, or anything close to it, is history now. I don't think enough people realise that the WA has not and will not change. None of these indicative votes will get through parliament, so Mays deal is all we have. I think the fact that I'm possibly the only supporter of that deal on this forum (well the only one that has admitted it anyway) gives you some indication of the likelihood it will get through.
 
heres a question for Remainers ...

are you very happy at the current way the EU works ??

Has the UK prospered being a member of the EU ??

Has being part of the EU been better or worse than what you expected?

Is there anything you would change about the way we deal with the EU presently ??
 
BigBlueNose said:
or maybe not ….


who the hell knows at this point,.
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You seem quite sure everything will be fine. You believe the tripe Fargage and Mogg said.

I took a lesser opinion on those idiots, and I agree, no one has a clue. So surprised you want a leap into the unknown. Because the EU are responsible for UK food banks.
 
roydo said:
You seem quite sure everything will be fine. You believe the tripe Fargage and Mogg said.

I took a lesser opinion on those idiots, and I agree, no one has a clue. So surprised you want a leap into the unknown. Because the EU are responsible for UK food banks.
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no I don't.

and again

I haven't said that.
 
BigBlueNose said:
heres a question for Remainers ...

are you very happy at the current way the EU works ??

Has the UK prospered being a member of the EU ??

Has being part of the EU been better or worse than what you expected?

Is there anything you would change about the way we deal with the EU presently ??
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Frank....you are having a ‘mare on this thread.

I feel for you :(

:p
 
BigBlueNose said:
heres a question for Remainers ...

are you very happy at the current way the EU works ??

Has the UK prospered being a member of the EU ??

Has being part of the EU been better or worse than what you expected?

Is there anything you would change about the way we deal with the EU presently ??
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1. Not really

2. Probably. Veering on certainly

3. Dunno. Was 9 when we joined

4. Dont know. Not that arsed.

One for you.

What is the best bit of being in the EU?
 
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