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    Votes: 688 67.9%
  • Out

    Votes: 325 32.1%

  • Total voters
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Don’t be fooled, Jeremy Corbyn’s “move towards a second referendum” doesn’t make one any more likely
https://www.newstatesman.com/corbyn-brexit-second-referendum-peoples-vote-labour
For Labour, it’s clever politics. But for the People’s Vote campaign, it’s mostly bad news.

Pop open the champagne at the People's Vote campaign? Jeremy Corbyn has tabled an amendment calling for a series of indicative votes on ways to resolve the Brexit stand-off, including the option of holding a public vote on parliament’s final deal with the European Union.

For Labour, it's clever politics: it makes it harder for critics of the leadership to argue that Corbyn is the major impediment to another referendum but it means that they don't have to actually take the hit for supporting a referendum re-run either.

But for the People's Vote campaign it is mostly bad news. Why? Because its biggest problem has never been Corbyn: but the substantial minority of Labour MPs who say they would vote against another referendum. By my count, Melanie Onn, a junior shadow minister, has become the 23rd Labour MP to explicitly state that they would vote against a second referendum. Remember that to overcome the government's majority you need seven more Conservatives to vote against the government than Labour rebels voting for it, which brings the minimum requirement to 30.

And the reality of course, which is conceded by everyone at Westminster, is that there are many more Labour MPs than those publicly declared who are against a second referendum. The great hope for the People's Vote campaign is that no other option can secure agreement either and that, in desperation, at the eleventh hour, a second referendum might become the only way out. But for that to happen they need to be the last alternative standing.

But the campaign’s reckoning might yet come too early. A cross-party amendment by official backers of the People's Vote campaign is set to be tabled as well, with the consequence that by the end of next week a second vote will have been repudiated twice: once when Labour's amendment is voted down and once when a cross-party amendment goes up in smoke too.

Really the state of the People’s Vote should only be a surprise to anyone that hasn’t followed the Progress of the Labour rebels these past three and a bit years. That they have the nerve to go around accusing people of believing in unicorns is remarkable.
 
I think he got a bit carried away with that Japanese bloke dying at 113 and after his birthday set his sights on the record. He's dumped the medicine he was storing in the freezer in his garage and has put himself in it instead. "Defrost in 20 years, unless we're still in the EU" on a sticker on the outside.

Let’s hope he manages to find a British built freezer to hibernate in lol
 
dunno why but I read this as 'Detroit in 20 years'!
Thought Joey was going to be RoboCop!

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It's what he'd have wanted
 
It's disgusting what is going on here, MP's trying to pass laws to stop a no deal brexit, vast majority of them all remainers trying to keep us in the EU.

There was 2 years to sort a deal, if the deal isn't good enough and it can't get support, then no deal it is, someone once said no deal is better than a bad deal didn't they?, can't remember who it was?
So you really think that crashing out in a "no deal exit", without any agreements on anything,will not affect your little world? If it should come to that there will be shock waves throughout Europe and many parts of the world and that's not scaremongering. Some countries however are already prepared for it. For example the French government has put up a web site explaining what will happen in France with or without an orderly Brexit.

https://www.brexit.gouv.fr/sites/br...6dmuiIgfIL7QVVDEzVxcyIqY-spdSZn_3qv7ZiWAsudv8

The only people to benefit from a no deal Brexit are the millionaire tory toffs such as Johnson and Moggs and Mr and Mrs May.
 
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