Current Affairs EU In or Out
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I don't see how they can have a vote on the terms of Brexit. I mean there will be an offer on the table that is presumably agreeable to the EU and UK government, which is then given to the people to vote on. If the public say no, what then? We have another couple of years of negotiation? Would the referendum add any more nuance as to what people actually do want than the last one? I just find it baffling that we're six months out from actually leaving, and in reality half of that time, and Checquers is in a mess, and Labour are still trying to figure out their position. Given the timescales, the very notion of a general election is bewildering. If one were to happen, we would have a new leader (potentially) at the time a deal to leave should be ratified.
You've got to commit to doing something, whether it's agreeing a deal or scrapping the whole thing.
You've got to commit to doing something, whether it's agreeing a deal or scrapping the whole thing.
Corbyn in not displaying firm leadership shocker - whoddathunkit.
Kind of a basic tenet of leadership isn't it? That you make a decision one way or another. Now it seems a halfway house muddle of nothingness. I mean they could have said, we have our four rules, and any proposal from the government that doesn't meet those rules we will vote against. It doesn't get us any closer to a resolution per se, but fine. The 'peoples vote' isn't about any four tests though, it is by and large an effort to turn back on leaving, both because people thought it was crap to begin with, and people have subsequently thought what the government have negotiated has been crap.
I don't think anyone in the 'peoples vote' movement wants there to be a second referendum whereby the outcome is to send the government back to the negotiating table. It's more a, 'you've had your time, this is what you've achieved, yes or no', with no quite clearly being staying as we are.
He's useless. It's like the anti semitism thing - if you want out of the EU, just say so. As shown by his pathetic showing in the referendum, he wants out so just say it as it is and lead for once.
When did Labour win a majority in the HoC? I've had a bit of a rough weekend, but I'm surprised I missed that.
The Labour Party are just testing the water on Brexit, by the way they are asking for another vote when we have not even left as yet....
If a GE is called I said I would not vote - well if Corbyn and Momentum try this stunt I will reluctantly vote Tory - 40 percent of Labour voters voted Out -
Corbyn and Watson - who Watson expenses were disgusting in the scandal are in the Westminster bubble ...
Will be giving an open goal to the Tories imo.....
As for scrappping it without a vote Bruce whatever happened to democracy?
A pathetic stunt by Labour who in their last manefesto pledged to impliment Brexit.......
There will not be another GE anyway, and if there is , and Corbyn wins he will carry on with Brexit listen to what they say another referendum or a GE ......
The time scale to call for a GE is too late, and it will unite the Tories as chequers will be chucked, and may might be chucked too if she holds on to an idea that no one in her party likes even remainers...
This is farcical from Labour playing politics with an important issue to gain power - they may pay that price .....
larrygobfiend
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This is my gripe with him. He knows he would alienate most of the young, pro-remain Labour voters, so he's chosen to hide behind the "it's the will of the people " line.
Jeez, and now we've got May banging on about a Canada style deal as though it's a good thing, despite it being the only trade deal in history that would make things worse than they previously were. We really are led by absolute muppets.
Watching the conference it's like a LFC convention........... red and white scarves everywhere........
It's up to conference though.
peteblue
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Tbf, she’s tried to please everyone and still got stitched up and insulted by the EU. So now it’s not a debate about hard or soft, it’s about a clean Brexit....
Pete, she's been stitched up by her own party. You always seem to gloss over the fact that the prime 'saboteurs' have been the likes of Johnson, Davis and Rees-Mogg, who have seen fit to undermine her at every chance they've had. I'm afraid you're doing exactly what they want you to do - that is blame foreigners for a mess caused by domestic incompetence.
peteblue
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There has definitely been domestic incompetence, and wilful sabotage, but I would put our own failures onto a civil service who came up with this dogs breakfast, a treasury determined to keep us locked into the Eu, and a whole shower of politicians, Remainers mostly, who insist on undermining the decision to leave......
That assumes that anything but a dog's breakfast is an option though doesn't it? The civil service may be many things, but from my experience rebellious would be an adjective that's a long way down the list. If they could come up with a better solution, I'm sure they would have done. Isn't it telling that there has been nothing conjured up from outside the civil service either? Nothing from Rees-Mogg's Brextremist faction. Nothing from think tanks, universities, consultancies or trade groups. Checquers has literally been the best the country can come up with.
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