Current Affairs EU In or Out

[larrygobfiend]

Brexit then it’ll all work out , it’s obvious that the problems with negotiations aren’t those involved in negotiations but the London mayor who has absolutely no involvement . Seems clear .

I wish I lived in your world. It's all gonna be juuuuust fine.

 

[Harryflashman]

I wish I lived in your world.

Mate if you can’t get my obvious sarcasm from that post then give it another read

 

[larrygobfiend]

Mate if you can’t get my obvious sarcasm from that post then give it another read

Sorry pal. There's so much crap on here, it's sometimes hard to figure out what's sarcasm lol

 

[The binman chronicles]

We all know she doesn't believe in it so she should go out all guns blazing on her own terms. Whatever she is cooked, I'd rather leave by getting chucked out of office by her party than being hated by the public as the woman who caused another financial meltdown and the break up of the UK.

 

[davek]

Robert Peston:

Chequers, as the journalist Chris Deerin has pointed out, goes pop.

Which wry and funny as it is for those of us of a certain age will not be cheering up Theresa May.

Because the EU summit in Salzburg has been a personal catastrophe for her.

And worse than that, it was an avoidable catastrophe.

Because every EU expert bar those she employs in Whitehall has been saying very loudly for weeks that the trade and commercial proposal in her Chequers Brexit plan would never win favour among the EU 27.

So the question is why she waited to have that so publicly and humiliatingly stated by the EU's president Donald Tusk today, rather than quietly acquiring some wriggle room over recent days.

Also, she's rejected the EU's proposal to keep the Northern Ireland border with the Republic open - because in her estimation it would undermine the integrity of the UK - but won't tell them what her revised proposal may be, though she insists she has one.

Neither she nor EU leaders want a "hard" no-deal Brexit.

But probably the only way for her to avoid it is to eat the humblest of humble pies and jog back to the deal her departed Brexit secretary, David Davis, naively thought he had been mandated to negotiate - a more conventional free trade agreement based on Canada's deal with the UK.

And maybe she could get that through the House of Commons, if her Remainer MPs were terrified into believing that the alternative to backing it would be a general election - which they assume Corbyn would win (whatever opinion polls may indicate).

That said, Canada still wouldn't solve the Irish border conundrum.

Which means that the UK may not be in a position to sign a withdrawal agreement - and that in turn means a no-deal Brexit remains a live possibility, even a probability.

A couple of things follow from all of this:

1) May will emerge as unique in the annals of history if she survives as PM much longer in the face of setbacks on this scale;

2) if all conventional roads lead to a hard no-deal Brexit, the notion of Parliament exerting control and forcing another referendum on us would begin to look not wholly fanciful.

 

[davek]

We all know she doesn't believe in it so she should go out all guns blazing on her own terms. Whatever she is cooked, I'd rather leave by getting chucked out of office by her party than being hated by the public as the woman who caused another financial meltdown and the break up of the UK.

Easily the worst PM in post-war history. An absolute duffer who'll be ridiculed for all time.

 

[Zezti]

May's government fails yet again. Total shocker.

 

[roydo]

2) if all conventional roads lead to a hard no-deal Brexit, the notion of Parliament exerting control and forcing another referendum on us would begin to look not wholly fanciful.

Maybe that was her aim all along. Hence the pretence that her plan was even remotely acceptable to the EU.

 

[dublinbluenose]

May doesn't really have a mandate to continue as PM, her cabinet and ALL TWENTY SEVEN EU leaders have rejected Checkers (which was the UK's starting position after 18 months).

A snap election is the only real course of action, all things being equal, but of course the UK is in a very weird political place right now.

I remember when ministers resigned or were sacked at the drop of a hat yet now they can cling on for weeks and months before the political pressure becomes to much.

End of days stuff.

 

[The binman chronicles]

2) if all conventional roads lead to a hard no-deal Brexit, the notion of Parliament exerting control and forcing another referendum on us would begin to look not wholly fanciful.

Maybe that was her aim all along. Hence the pretence that her plan was even remotely acceptable to the EU.

I would like this to be true but I don't think she can think that far out the box.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

May doesn't really have a mandate to continue as PM, her cabinet and ALL TWENTY SEVEN EU leaders have rejected Checkers (which was the UK's starting position after 18 months).

A snap election is the only real course of action, all things being equal, but of course the UK is in a very weird political place right now.

I remember when ministers resigned or were sacked at the drop of a hat yet now they can cling on for weeks and months before the political pressure becomes to much.

End of days stuff.

How would an election work though? We've got around 6 months until we're supposed to be leaving the EU. Even if an election were announced now, if we take the last snap election as a guide, that will take 1.5 months out of that. All rational folk say that in reality we have until December 13th, when the European Council meet, to get a deal signed off so it can be ready for March. So we have less than 3 months to get a deal to be approved by the EU, of which half we want to spend on a general election, and the other half kinda starting from scratch with negotiations?

 

[davek]

She's an utter klutz.

 

[The binman chronicles]

How would an election work though? We've got around 6 months until we're supposed to be leaving the EU. Even if an election were announced now, if we take the last snap election as a guide, that will take 1.5 months out of that. All rational folk say that in reality we have until December 13th, when the European Council meet, to get a deal signed off so it can be ready for March. So we have less than 3 months to get a deal to be approved by the EU, of which half we want to spend on a general election, and the other half kinda starting from scratch with negotiations?

Presumably there would have to be an extension to the leaving date if that were to happen. If Labour won and do as they say by staying in the single market then a deal shouldn't take too long to knock out thereafter.

 

[dublinbluenose]

How would an election work though? We've got around 6 months until we're supposed to be leaving the EU. Even if an election were announced now, if we take the last snap election as a guide, that will take 1.5 months out of that. All rational folk say that in reality we have until December 13th, when the European Council meet, to get a deal signed off so it can be ready for March. So we have less than 3 months to get a deal to be approved by the EU, of which half we want to spend on a general election, and the other half kinda starting from scratch with negotiations?

Undoubtedly the EU would offer an extension on negotiations in light of a change in government.

 

[roydo]

Presumably there would have to be an extension to the leaving date if that were to happen. If Labour won and do as they say by staying in the single market then a deal shouldn't take too long to knock out thereafter.

How could they promise that? Well, they could promise anything, but struggle to see why the EU would readily agree to it.