Current Affairs EU In or Out

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

The irony of Boris and co. having a problem with the 'Chequers Deal' is funny really - I thought the referendum vote was 'clear', so as long as we leave the European Union in some way then the referendum is being 'honoured', isn't it?

This is why a second vote is needed and, to be frank, even Brexiteers should be supporting it if they believe their view is right and popular - because the second vote would now simply be a chance to say that the 'Chequers Deal' is nonsense for them.

So a two-tiered question is needed:

1 - Do you want to leave the European Union under the terms of the 'Chequers Deal'?
2 - If 'No', do you want to leave the European Union under WTO rules - e.g. a 'Hard Brexit'?
3 - If 'No', do you want to remain in the European Union?

The problem with a 3 way vote is that we could end up with a combined majority being for either the Chequers deal or putting the entire thing in the bin, but with the ‘no deal’ option having the largest individual support. What happens then?

 

[orchard]

It's already split - 'hard' and 'soft'.

They just don't seem to understand their own mantra. The referendum was about leaving the EU, but that's not good enough for the race-to-the-bottom mob like Davis and Johnson, so they don't want to recognise it as legitimately leaving the EU.

So, in theory, they should vote against leaving the EU now. The need for a second vote is obvious, especially due to the fact that Theresa May has undermined the sovereignty of parliament throughout this whole process, meaning the concept of a 'meaningful' vote in the Commons is ludicrous at this point.

I know, but no leaver would agree to splitting the out vote vs remain like you stated, the lack of any substance for two years was precisely because of this, and why the extreme brexit proponents have so much sway.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

The problem with a 3 way vote is that we could end up with a combined majority being for either the Chequers deal or putting the entire thing in the bin, but with the ‘no deal’ option having the largest individual support. What happens then?

To be honest, if the referendum told us anything, it's the daftness of asking people who knew bugger all about the topic their opinion on something. The only thing dafter than asking them about it was making the answer binding.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

To be honest, if the referendum told us anything, it's the daftness of asking people who knew bugger all about the topic their opinion on something. The only thing dafter than asking them about it was making the answer binding.

Unfortunately what’s done is done in that respect, but the populous now do feel that they own this process and a vocal percentage would have us believe that all 17.4m knowingly voted to make themselves quite considerably poorer by desiring the ‘no deal’ outcome. That simply isn’t the case and another vote on the final deal could put that knackers notion to bed, whilst at the same time giving the Nation the opportunity to skip the entire idea. I just don’t know how you’d decide on the winning parameters of a 3 way vote.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Unfortunately what’s done is done in that respect, but the populous now do feel that they own this process and a vocal percentage would have us believe that all 17.4m knowingly voted to make themselves quite considerably poorer by desiring the ‘no deal’ outcome. That simply isn’t the case and another vote on the final deal could put that knackers notion to bed, whilst at the same time giving the Nation the opportunity to skip the entire idea. I just don’t know how you’d decide on the winning parameters of a 3 way vote.

I wouldn't want to over-egg the representativeness of this thread, but there has been precious little changing of minds here (from either side to be fair), so the thought of having yet another referendum is rather depressing. I can't take any more public displays of idiocy.

 

[Joey66]

Unfortunately what’s done is done in that respect, but the populous now do feel that they own this process and a vocal percentage would have us believe that all 17.4m knowingly voted to make themselves quite considerably poorer by desiring the ‘no deal’ outcome. That simply isn’t the case and another vote on the final deal could put that knackers notion to bed, whilst at the same time giving the Nation the opportunity to skip the entire idea. I just don’t know how you’d decide on the winning parameters of a 3 way vote.

Looking into your crystall ball again have you got this weeks lottery winning numbers by any chance?
you dont half post some tosh-
the out vote has not moved the remain vote has not moved due to recent polls yesterday the tories in a mess are on 37 % as are Labour-
May somehow survived yesterday so she will carry on and we will leave sorry to disappoint you......

 

[Joey66]

I wouldn't want to over-egg the representativeness of this thread, but there has been precious little changing of minds here (from either side to be fair), so the thought of having yet another referendum is rather depressing. I can't take any more public displays of idiocy.

Bruce they did a poll yesterday the result for out has not wavered one bit........
even with the government making a hash of it the Out vote seem entrenched on leaving the EU......

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

Looking into your crystall ball again have you got this weeks lottery winning numbers by any chance?
you dont half post some tosh-
the out vote has not moved the remain vote has not moved due to recent polls yesterday the tories in a mess are on 37 % as are Labour-
May somehow survived yesterday so she will carry on and we will leave sorry to disappoint you......

One day you might actually respond to one of my posts with a reply that is actually relevant to what I’ve written.

But it obviously isn’t today.

 

[dublinbluenose]

A NHS privateer and climate change denying funded health secretary of state. Nice.

 

[Tubey]

The problem with a 3 way vote is that we could end up with a combined majority being for either the Chequers deal or putting the entire thing in the bin, but with the ‘no deal’ option having the largest individual support. What happens then?

Fairly simple - no combined majority, whatever gets the most votes wins. After all, a combined majority is what the initial referendum was, so there's no reason to repeat that outcome - what we need is clarity.

If the country decides to 'No Deal' when presented with three very clear choices on the methodology of our relationship with the EU, then so be it. My problem is and always has been that the choice wasn't clear and it wasn't argued honestly - as in nobody voted for a 'hard' or 'soft' Brexit; they just voted for Brexit, and that is too vague a question.

Of course, it could be argued that the Chequers Deal and exiting on WTO rules should be the only two options on the ballot box in such a referendum, but given the result had 48% of the population vote for Remain, I feel after two years of discussion and coverage that leaving the option for remaining out of it would be ridiculous.

 

[Joey66]

One day you might actually respond to one of my posts with a reply that is actually relevant to what I’ve written.

But it obviously isn’t today.

You seem to know the future - you must clean up at the bookies - that's why you are a rich Remainer - with all your assets off shore in tax havens........

 

[Tubey]

Oh, and to add, if we did have a new vote, we'd be in a position of power over the EU for the first time, because we could use a second referendum as a stick to demand actual, meaningful reforms in our favour to sell to the electorate ahead of it. The population voting for Brexit initially could then be a massive plus for us, because although leaving the EU hurts the UK more than it hurts the EU, it still hurts the EU - they don't want it to happen.

This should have been on the table all along - instead, we've had the idiotic hard-right Tories boxing us into a corner and leaving the situation we're in now as inevitable. The referendum was advisory; it was based on the state of play at that time and should have been a tool for the politicians to use, not the be-all, end-all.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

Bruce they did a poll yesterday the result for out has not wavered one bit........
even with the government making a hash of it the Out vote seem entrenched on leaving the EU......

The last 15 YouGov polls on the spin have shown that the majority think that Leave was the wrong decision, but don’t let facts get in the way - not that you ever do like.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

A NHS privateer and climate change denying funded health secretary of state. Nice.

Not to say they don't, but where in the news article copied into that tweet is there any reference to privatising the NHS?

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

You seem to know the future - you must clean up at the bookies - that's why you are a rich Remainer - with all your assets off shore in tax havens........

I’m losing count of how many on the spin that makes it, where you’ve replied with something completely irrelevant.

I’m not one of the clients of Redwood or investors of Rees Mogg btw. All of my assets are firmly ‘on shore’ love x