Current Affairs EU In or Out

[joey_macmo]

 

[peteblue]

Page 7 of this Pete

https://whatukthinks.org/eu/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/NatCen_Brexplanations-report-FINAL-WEB2.pdf



For instance, among people with a degree, 26% of them voted to leave. You are one of those 26%, but that doesn't mean you're representative of the wider 'leave' voting block.

Page 8 throws a different perspective on it, it shows the 26% of degree holders as you quote, but also shows 50% of below degree/A level holders and 61% of O level/gcse holders, or am I reading this incorrectly......

 

[peteblue]

Incidentally, I would have expected a similar process to occur had the vote swung the other way. It would have triggered a lot of debate about the merits and otherwise of EU membership, and the views of those wishing to leave, together with those wishing to remain would hopefully have gone into any attempts to reform the EU from within.

But it wouldn’t have happened would it. This crying and moaning from the elite wouldn’t have happened and everyone would have just moved on as though the vote had never happened. The EU would not have given it a moments thought, in fact they still don’t get it........

 

[Bruce Wayne]

More detailed article on that here - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43301325

Amazingly given the role it played in the debate, it's something we're still none the wiser on.

Page 8 throws a different perspective on it, it shows the 26% of degree holders as you quote, but also shows 50% of below degree/A level holders and 61% of O level/gcse holders, or am I reading this incorrectly......

I believe the stats are showing the highest qualification you hold, and the proportion of that group that voted to leave. So 61% of those with just GCSEs voted to leave.

But it wouldn’t have happened would it. This crying and moaning from the elite wouldn’t have happened and everyone would have just moved on as though the vote had never happened. The EU would not have given it a moments thought, in fact they still don’t get it........

Obviously hard to tell with any certainty, but you'd hope given the debate that has been triggered since the vote that it might have helped. It's a shame we haven't had this kind of debate before the vote tbh.

 

[neil999]

More detailed article on that here - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43301325

Amazingly given the role it played in the debate, it's something we're still none the wiser on.



I believe the stats are showing the highest qualification you hold, and the proportion of that group that voted to leave. So 61% of those with just GCSEs voted to leave.



Obviously hard to tell with any certainty, but you'd hope given the debate that has been triggered since the vote that it might have helped. It's a shame we haven't had this kind of debate before the vote tbh.

Thats all very nice..but

'why are all these polish supermarkets going up everywhere? they are taking over, i'm not gonna eat polish sausage am i?'

'and a polish family has moved in down the road last week, how come they have a council house for free?'

all about what people see/perceive unfortunately

 

[Bruce Wayne]

i'm not gonna eat polish sausage am i?'

Only if you're lucky madam

 

[neil999]

Only if you're lucky madam

They are too big for starters...

 

[peteblue]

They are too big for starters...

Them have them as the main course........

 

[peteblue]

More detailed article on that here - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43301325

Amazingly given the role it played in the debate, it's something we're still none the wiser on.



I believe the stats are showing the highest qualification you hold, and the proportion of that group that voted to leave. So 61% of those with just GCSEs voted to leave.



Obviously hard to tell with any certainty, but you'd hope given the debate that has been triggered since the vote that it might have helped. It's a shame we haven't had this kind of debate before the vote tbh.

They take no notice Bruce. The Italian vote shows a major anti EU bias, but nothing will happen, the EU will just carry on as before......

 

[Bruce Wayne]

They take no notice Bruce. The Italian vote shows a major anti EU bias, but nothing will happen, the EU will just carry on as before......

I'm not sure that's the case, and believe Britain has been influential within the EU over the past 40 years, just as our actions on this are influencing the continent as we speak (although imo it's not a healthy influence).

 

[peteblue]

I'm not sure that's the case, and believe Britain has been influential within the EU over the past 40 years, just as our actions on this are influencing the continent as we speak (although imo it's not a healthy influence).

Well we have discussed the UK’s influence before. How can the PM of the EU’s second largest economy and third largest population be completely ignored in his rejection of Juncker as the President of the EU. How can the same PM be patted on the head and sent home by the EU culminating in a Leave vote. Our influence was marginal, Germany and France have and always will lead the EU......

 

[orchard]

The government's Brexit analysis has been published in full by the Commons Brexit committee - PDF

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Well we have discussed the UK’s influence before. How can the PM of the EU’s second largest economy and third largest population be completely ignored in his rejection of Juncker as the President of the EU. How can the same PM be patted on the head and sent home by the EU culminating in a Leave vote. Our influence was marginal, Germany and France have and always will lead the EU......

Being a man who has obtained positions of influence during your own career, I'm sure you can appreciate the political nature of these things, and by 2014 we'd got to a stage where our only real ally was Orban and the Hungarians. If he's your main supporter than you can probably assume you've taken a wrong turn somewhere.

 

[Old Blue 2]

Page 7 of this Pete

https://whatukthinks.org/eu/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/NatCen_Brexplanations-report-FINAL-WEB2.pdf



For instance, among people with a degree, 26% of them voted to leave. You are one of those 26%, but that doesn't mean you're representative of the wider 'leave' voting block.

So that report was based on the following (as quoted from the report itself):
1. a sample of around 3,000 adults, selected using a random probability method;
2. nearly 4,000 people in Britain, recruited via the British Social Attitudes survey, using a random probability sampling method; and
3. a panel of around 30,000 individuals. The panel was recruited using quota sampling methods.
The above from page 5 of the document.

So you're hanging your hat on a survey of 0.2% of the total leave vote? 37,000 to 17.4 million. And of those 37,000, were they all leave voters, or were they a cross-section of both sides (I cannot find it in the document where that is explained)?

You know my views on those kind of surveys/reports...

 

[peteblue]

So that report was based on the following (as quoted from the report itself):
1. a sample of around 3,000 adults, selected using a random probability method;
2. nearly 4,000 people in Britain, recruited via the British Social Attitudes survey, using a random probability sampling method; and
3. a panel of around 30,000 individuals. The panel was recruited using quota sampling methods.
The above from page 5 of the document.

So you're hanging your hat on a survey of 0.2% of the total leave vote? 37,000 to 17.4 million. And of those 37,000, were they all leave voters, or were they a cross-section of both sides (I cannot find it in the document where that is explained)?

You know my views on those kind of surveys/reports...

I wonder if a similar report exists for Remain Voters........