Current Affairs EU In or Out

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  • In

    Votes: 688 67.9%

  • Out

    Votes: 325 32.1%
  • Total voters
    1,013
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Charlie Sweet said:
I started typing an answer when I read Bruce's response below and I couldn't put it better although, to me, raising the retirement age is so fundamental to correcting the country's structural economic problems that it should be done much quicker than is presently envisaged (and to a higher age).
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Incidentally, Bruce, Charlie, how old are you guys. I don’t mean to pry or disparage but to genuinely understand why you would advocate the raising of retirement age.......
 
Charlie Sweet said:
I started typing an answer when I read Bruce's response below and I couldn't put it better although, to me, raising the retirement age is so fundamental to correcting the country's structural economic problems that it should be done much quicker than is presently envisaged (and to a higher age).
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Charlie,
Read on from Bruce's post.
My post #24413, and roydo's agreement with it in #24415
 
Old Blue 2 said:
Charlie,
Read on from Bruce's post.
My post #24413, and roydo's agreement with it in #24415
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I'm.not sure on the post numbers you are quoting but I did read the rub of the discussion. I consider myself.to.be 'left of centre' in most things apart from crime and punishment and am a strong believer in everyone being entitled to a proper and effective pension BUT it is a simple reality that people are living longer and healthier into a more advanced age. For basic economics they have to keep contributing or the country will collapse. Lots can and should.be done to make the transition easier and people should be helped to keep fit and active through middle age etc
 
Charlie Sweet said:
I'm.not sure on the post numbers you are quoting but I did read the rub of the discussion. I consider myself.to.be 'left of centre' in most things apart from crime and punishment and am a strong believer in everyone being entitled to a proper and effective pension BUT it is a simple reality that people are living longer and healthier into a more advanced age. For basic economics they have to keep contributing or the country will collapse. Lots can and should.be done to make the transition easier and people should be helped to keep fit and active through middle age etc
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Indeed mate, but people in some jobs need to retire early due to the physical issues.......
 
Joey66 said:
Very nice Of you Bruce so a tradesman qualified has to look for work after now 66 years old- laughable way of an argument!
Not practicle for artisan trades, just unbelievable quote that!
Just jump jobs instead of getting the contributions they have paid - yet your free movement they get benefits straight away PM tried to negotiate this away hemce he came back from the EU with a chamberlin piece of toilet paper- hence we voted out!
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So the bloke (it's a man isn't it? Always a man) was fine to be on a roof at 65, but not at 66? What will happen if technology disrupts someone's livelihood? Will your son bury his head in the sand if a computer can program code better than he can, or will he (like most developers) take control of his education and ensure he has the skills he needs to find work? Please remember Joe that you've branded yourself and your fellow Brexiteers as brave and courageous adventurers happy to take on change and all it may entail. You wouldn't want to come across as super conservative and hoping things stay the same forever.

peteblue said:
This is fine for educated people who may be able to either retrain, go private, or find niche work. What about this roofer that Joey mentioned, he’s a roofer.......
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As before Pete, technology is likely to be as disruptive, if not more so than any raising of retirement age. The government are pretty atrocious at adult education, and this is especially so among those who need it most (poorer, less well trained people). That's probably the EU's fault like, but still, it's a problem looming large around the corner. It's just a shame that politicians don't tend to think any further ahead than their immediate term of office.

peteblue said:
Incidentally, Bruce, Charlie, how old are you guys. I don’t mean to pry or disparage but to genuinely understand why you would advocate the raising of retirement age.......
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I was a 38 year safely tucked up in bed Pete ;) For the record, I don't envisage ever retiring.
 
Incidentally, the medical profession love how Brexit is going too.

Patients in the UK will suffer if they are no longer able to join Europe-wide trials of new drugs as the result of a no-deal Brexit, health bodies warn in a new report.

Cross-border projects would be threatened unless the UK and EU agree on continued cooperation after the UK leaves the EU next year.

The Brexit Health Alliance wants UK researchers to be able to continue to receive EU funding, work with colleagues from other member states and take part in pan-European studies.

Alliance members include the NHS Confederation, the Academy of Medical Royal Colleges, the Bioindustry Association and NHS Providers.

The report calls for “a straightforward and welcoming UK migration system” after Brexit, continued UK participation in European Reference Networks for rare and complex diseases, and maximum cooperation on medical research, medicines and medical devices regulations.

In particular, there must be a “pragmatic solution” to would allow the UK to cooperate with key regulatory bodies and shared infrastructures, including the EU clinical trials regulation.

“A situation where UK trials are no longer able to recruit European patients would lessen the benefits for patients across the whole of Europe, as well as risk damaging UK and European science,” the report says.

As the number of patients with rarer conditions in each country is low, it is only possible to recruit enough patients for clinical trials by carrying out trials across countries.

The group also call for the UK to secure a deal to continue to take part in regulatory bodies such as the European Medicines Agency, and shared infrastructures such as the clinical trials portal and database.

The Alliance’s report follows a study by the Wellcome Trust, which argued that the UK should be part of Framework Programme 9 and should be prepared to pay more into European research programmes after it leaves the EU than it currently contributes as a member.
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Bruce Wayne said:
You do something else Joe. The days of having one livelihood your entire working life are on the way out.
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Really Bruce that's a broad statement so what do you want to diverse in when you retire, or if you unfortunately lose your job, and no employer wants to employ old people?
Or institutionalised people from said industries, and what does a heavy job wise skilled person do ?
Go on a zero hour contract ?
 
Bruce Wayne said:
As above Joe, I don't plan on retiring and in my old age I strongly suspect to be doing work that hasn't even been invented yet (as indeed my current role was not when I was at school).
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A robotic world may take over Bruce widely predicted everyone should have the right to retire Bruce or are you in a safe cushy job?
 
I'd like to congratulate the team that wrote and organized this speech for Theresa May, where she started by paying tribute to the groups of people (emergency services, armed forces, NHS, carers) her government have savaged with cuts, and then hired once of the nicest buildings in London and put a grey map of the world behind her so no-one could see it.
 
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