Blame your Lib Dems for selling our post office off ,- Sir Vince!Anything but blame your beloved Tories huh Joe?
Current Affairs EU In or Out
- Thread starter micknick
- Start date
- Status
peteblue
Welcome back Wayne
Oh dear......
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
She has to be one of the weakest and most pathetic PMs in history.
A puppet dancing to the tune of a hard core of Tory backwoodsmen and a clutch of bowler hatted orangemen playing a zero sum game and who couldn't give a flying one if it ended in more bombings and shootings in Northern Ireland.
Resign you spineless get.
A puppet dancing to the tune of a hard core of Tory backwoodsmen and a clutch of bowler hatted orangemen playing a zero sum game and who couldn't give a flying one if it ended in more bombings and shootings in Northern Ireland.
Resign you spineless get.
NilSatisOptimum
Player Valuation: £70m
Could you PM me your unedited thoughts on May and the DUP?
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
Could you PM me your unedited thoughts on May and the DUP?
I find it very sinister that these people are dropping terms like the Good Friday Agreement and replacing it with the less auspicious and momentous Belfast Agreement.
Can't be letting Nationalists have their own way now can they, so they gave it their own title.
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
I dont want to get into the middle of that mate, but I have every sympathy with anyone seeking to keep bombs and bullets out of any reckoning when the terms of Brexit are finally determined.
Welcome to British politicking Leo, and particularly Tory promise one thing and then change their minds. They will be denying they even entered the room next.
Brexit
Irish PM shows frustration with UK over Brexit border deal
Leo Varadkar says Theresa May or pro-Brexiters cannot ‘just say no now’ to previous agreement
Lisa O'Carroll and Harriet Sherwood
Wed 28 Feb 2018 17.43 GMTLast modified on Wed 28 Feb 2018 18.06 GMT
Ireland’s taoiseach, Leo Varadkar. Photograph: Jean-Francois Badias/AP
The Irish prime minister has said it is “not OK” for Theresa May to renege on a deal involving a “backstop” solution to the Irish border question that could mean Northern Ireland remaining in the customs union.
Dublin showed growing signs of frustration with the British government on Wednesday after the UK prime minister appeared to retreat from the agreement she made in December.
The taoiseach, Leo Varadkar, said the 119-page draft Brexit treaty unveiled in Brussels was merely putting into legal effect the joint report sealed just before Christmas.
“It’s not OK for people, whether pro-Brexit politicians in Britain or parties in Northern Ireland, to just say ‘no’ now. It’s incumbent on them, if they can’t accept the backstop, well then they must detail how option A or B would work,” Varadkar told Newstalk radio.
“And actually write them down; they can’t be theoretical stuff about congestion charges and tolling in another country,” he said, referring to the British foreign secretary Boris Johnson’s suggestion that technology similar to that used for travelling between two London boroughs could apply to the Irish border.
Varadkar’s deputy, Simon Coveney, warned it would be “hard to see” how May could deliver on her promise of an invisible border if the UK left the customs union and the single market.
An audibly exasperated Coveney pointed out that Ireland had supported Britain’s desire to move to phase-two talks in December because of the very guarantees it had agreed on the Irish border.
“Nobody is looking to pick a fight, nobody’s looking to have a go at the British government,” he said on RTÉ’s News at One.
“The problem here is the British government’s stated position [in December], and still now, is they want to make sure there is no border infrastructure between Northern Ireland and Ireland, they don’t want trade barriers between Northern Ireland and the UK, and that the UK is leaving the customs union and the single market – and those things are simply not compatible.
“It’s hard to see that being done if the British government continues to pursue leaving the customs union and the single market; it’s hard to see how you avoid border structures in that kind of context,” he said.
The December deal signed by May included three options for dealing with the movement of trade and people over the 310-mile border.
The first option is that the overall final deal between the UK and Britain obviates the need for border checks by retaining the status quo. The second option is a “bespoke” solution.
Article 3 of the draft withdrawal agreement states that if the first two options from the December deal for the Irish border are not met then a backstop, option C, comes into play.
View image on Twitter
https://twitter.com/lisaocarroll/status/968828592850423808
lisa o'carroll@lisaocarroll
Article 3 is brutally plain: "A common regulatory area comprising the Union and the United Kingdom in respect of Northern Ireland is hereby established".
12:41 PM - Feb 28, 2018
Coveney and Varadkar said the onus was on Britain to come up with an alternative, something Ireland has been requesting for more than 12 months.
lisa o'carroll(@lisaocarroll)
Article 3 is brutally plain: "A common regulatory area comprising the Union and the United Kingdom in respect of Northern Ireland is hereby established". pic.twitter.com/s6VrcnFgF5
February 28, 2018
Coveney and Varadkar said the onus was on Britain to come up with an alternative, something Ireland has been requesting for more than 12 months.
“Our response is, look, this [option C] doesn’t have to be the solution, but come up with something better that we can agree and we’d be delighted to agree,” said Coveney.
“We are trying to protect the status quo which is also protecting the Good Friday agreement in terms of north-south co-operation.”
“We have to see an approach coming from the British government that allows for trade between the EU and UK that’s doesn’t allow borders and that solves the problem for Northern Ireland which was agreed in December,” he said.
Arlene Foster, the leader of the Democratic Unionist party, which is propping up the Westminster government, said the deal was an attack on the constitutional links between Northern Ireland and Britain.
She tweeted:
Arlene Foster
✔@DUPleader
EU draft text is constitutionally unacceptable & would be economically catastrophic for Northern Ireland. I welcome the Prime Minister's commitment that HMG will not allow any new border in the Irish Sea. Northern Ireland must have unfettered access to GB market. AF
12:46 PM - Feb 28, 2018
Coveney said Ireland was not “hardening” its position but was “simply holding” it.
“This isn’t trying to provoke, it’s not trying to reinterpret … We are simply translating what was agreed, albeit after a difficult negotiation, in December into a legal text. So nobody should be surprised.
“The Irish government has made it very clear – we’re not hardening our position, we’re simply holding our position. Yes, we want to move on to a proper and detailed discussion about what a future relationship is going to look like. We want that future relationship to be as close to the status quo as possible. We want the closest possible relationship with the UK, from a trade perspective, a political perspective, from a society perspective,” he said.
Brexit
Irish PM shows frustration with UK over Brexit border deal
Leo Varadkar says Theresa May or pro-Brexiters cannot ‘just say no now’ to previous agreement
Lisa O'Carroll and Harriet Sherwood
Wed 28 Feb 2018 17.43 GMTLast modified on Wed 28 Feb 2018 18.06 GMT
Ireland’s taoiseach, Leo Varadkar. Photograph: Jean-Francois Badias/AP
The Irish prime minister has said it is “not OK” for Theresa May to renege on a deal involving a “backstop” solution to the Irish border question that could mean Northern Ireland remaining in the customs union.
Dublin showed growing signs of frustration with the British government on Wednesday after the UK prime minister appeared to retreat from the agreement she made in December.
The taoiseach, Leo Varadkar, said the 119-page draft Brexit treaty unveiled in Brussels was merely putting into legal effect the joint report sealed just before Christmas.
“It’s not OK for people, whether pro-Brexit politicians in Britain or parties in Northern Ireland, to just say ‘no’ now. It’s incumbent on them, if they can’t accept the backstop, well then they must detail how option A or B would work,” Varadkar told Newstalk radio.
“And actually write them down; they can’t be theoretical stuff about congestion charges and tolling in another country,” he said, referring to the British foreign secretary Boris Johnson’s suggestion that technology similar to that used for travelling between two London boroughs could apply to the Irish border.
Varadkar’s deputy, Simon Coveney, warned it would be “hard to see” how May could deliver on her promise of an invisible border if the UK left the customs union and the single market.
An audibly exasperated Coveney pointed out that Ireland had supported Britain’s desire to move to phase-two talks in December because of the very guarantees it had agreed on the Irish border.
“Nobody is looking to pick a fight, nobody’s looking to have a go at the British government,” he said on RTÉ’s News at One.
“The problem here is the British government’s stated position [in December], and still now, is they want to make sure there is no border infrastructure between Northern Ireland and Ireland, they don’t want trade barriers between Northern Ireland and the UK, and that the UK is leaving the customs union and the single market – and those things are simply not compatible.
“It’s hard to see that being done if the British government continues to pursue leaving the customs union and the single market; it’s hard to see how you avoid border structures in that kind of context,” he said.
The December deal signed by May included three options for dealing with the movement of trade and people over the 310-mile border.
The first option is that the overall final deal between the UK and Britain obviates the need for border checks by retaining the status quo. The second option is a “bespoke” solution.
Article 3 of the draft withdrawal agreement states that if the first two options from the December deal for the Irish border are not met then a backstop, option C, comes into play.
View image on Twitter
https://twitter.com/lisaocarroll/status/968828592850423808
lisa o'carroll@lisaocarrollArticle 3 is brutally plain: "A common regulatory area comprising the Union and the United Kingdom in respect of Northern Ireland is hereby established".
12:41 PM - Feb 28, 2018
Coveney and Varadkar said the onus was on Britain to come up with an alternative, something Ireland has been requesting for more than 12 months.
lisa o'carroll(@lisaocarroll)
Article 3 is brutally plain: "A common regulatory area comprising the Union and the United Kingdom in respect of Northern Ireland is hereby established". pic.twitter.com/s6VrcnFgF5
February 28, 2018
Coveney and Varadkar said the onus was on Britain to come up with an alternative, something Ireland has been requesting for more than 12 months.
“Our response is, look, this [option C] doesn’t have to be the solution, but come up with something better that we can agree and we’d be delighted to agree,” said Coveney.
“We are trying to protect the status quo which is also protecting the Good Friday agreement in terms of north-south co-operation.”
“We have to see an approach coming from the British government that allows for trade between the EU and UK that’s doesn’t allow borders and that solves the problem for Northern Ireland which was agreed in December,” he said.
Arlene Foster, the leader of the Democratic Unionist party, which is propping up the Westminster government, said the deal was an attack on the constitutional links between Northern Ireland and Britain.
She tweeted:
Arlene Foster✔@DUPleader
EU draft text is constitutionally unacceptable & would be economically catastrophic for Northern Ireland. I welcome the Prime Minister's commitment that HMG will not allow any new border in the Irish Sea. Northern Ireland must have unfettered access to GB market. AF
12:46 PM - Feb 28, 2018
Coveney said Ireland was not “hardening” its position but was “simply holding” it.
“This isn’t trying to provoke, it’s not trying to reinterpret … We are simply translating what was agreed, albeit after a difficult negotiation, in December into a legal text. So nobody should be surprised.
“The Irish government has made it very clear – we’re not hardening our position, we’re simply holding our position. Yes, we want to move on to a proper and detailed discussion about what a future relationship is going to look like. We want that future relationship to be as close to the status quo as possible. We want the closest possible relationship with the UK, from a trade perspective, a political perspective, from a society perspective,” he said.
No surprise as ant EU Tories were the end of him - he will be in it for his own aims like Blair and co!
Old Blue 2
Player Valuation: £40m
From the EU document today:
"..."The territory of Northern Ireland... shall be considered to be part of the customs territory of the Union," the document says..." So the EU is telling the UK what has to happen AFTER we are out!
Earlier the DUP's Westminster leader Nigel Dodds said: "...We did not leave the European Union to oversee the breakup of the United Kingdom..."
And also this (not Nigel Dodds, just a general point):
"As well as the Irish border, another area of contention is the role of the European Court of Justice (ECJ).
The UK has said it will leave the ECJ's jurisdiction and regain control of its laws after Brexit.
According to the EU's draft document, disputes over the Brexit agreement in future years would be settled by a "joint committee" made up of representatives from both sides.
But the EU proposes that this committee would be able to refer to the European Court of Justice for a binding ruling - with the EU's court having the power to levy a fine or suspend parts of the Brexit treaty."
Now I know in the past I have locked horns with remainers, but I ask the serious question of them. That part I have put in bold and underlined: do you REALLY want that kind of thing to happen when we have divested ourselves of the EU. Should they still have such control over the UK.
I will state my case clearly on that particular issue: they can sod off! They don't control us anymore, and can take their interfering ways elsewhere.
I think at present our negotiators are simply being diplomatic, and are avoiding telling the EU to take a hike with their dictatorial attitude.
I simply believe they are trying to get at us in every way possible. In my view, they are petty and arrogant.
I know I have posted flippantly on occasions in the past, but the above quotes do concern me, and this is a serious post. I would welcome the views of some who voted remain, on those quotes.
"..."The territory of Northern Ireland... shall be considered to be part of the customs territory of the Union," the document says..." So the EU is telling the UK what has to happen AFTER we are out!
Earlier the DUP's Westminster leader Nigel Dodds said: "...We did not leave the European Union to oversee the breakup of the United Kingdom..."
And also this (not Nigel Dodds, just a general point):
"As well as the Irish border, another area of contention is the role of the European Court of Justice (ECJ).
The UK has said it will leave the ECJ's jurisdiction and regain control of its laws after Brexit.
According to the EU's draft document, disputes over the Brexit agreement in future years would be settled by a "joint committee" made up of representatives from both sides.
But the EU proposes that this committee would be able to refer to the European Court of Justice for a binding ruling - with the EU's court having the power to levy a fine or suspend parts of the Brexit treaty."
Now I know in the past I have locked horns with remainers, but I ask the serious question of them. That part I have put in bold and underlined: do you REALLY want that kind of thing to happen when we have divested ourselves of the EU. Should they still have such control over the UK.
I will state my case clearly on that particular issue: they can sod off! They don't control us anymore, and can take their interfering ways elsewhere.
I think at present our negotiators are simply being diplomatic, and are avoiding telling the EU to take a hike with their dictatorial attitude.
I simply believe they are trying to get at us in every way possible. In my view, they are petty and arrogant.
I know I have posted flippantly on occasions in the past, but the above quotes do concern me, and this is a serious post. I would welcome the views of some who voted remain, on those quotes.
Charlie Sweet
Player Valuation: £35m
Pete it's a simple fact. the cost of government debt has gone up because our growth forecasts have gone down. what bit of that do you not accept?
orchard
Player Valuation: £60m
Paint enough 'red lines' and you'll find yourself boxed in, lack of coherent strategy, ministers not doing basic homework, dependency on the dup,no grip on the party, and a tendency to avoid hard work cannot help.
peteblue
Welcome back Wayne
Which bit of it do you not understand.....debt is a function of expenditure and interest rates....neither of which have been affected by Brexit......our growth forecasts change by the day.......
Charlie Sweet
Player Valuation: £35m
Pete I deal with corporate finance all day. The price of debt is dependant on the quality/robustness/prospects of the debtor. Whether you agree or not the Brexit referendum vote caused an impairment in the view of all international finance houses causing the cost of government borrowings to rise. The additional interests charges alone since June 16 would have paid for many a nurse or teacher.
peteblue
Welcome back Wayne
But as the deficit is reducing and our borrowing is reducing......
- Status