Current Affairs EU In or Out

In or Out

  • In

    Votes: 688 67.9%

  • Out

    Votes: 325 32.1%
  • Total voters
    1,013
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Ruairi77 said:
I think it's worth reminding you that you voted out. The EU didn't vote you out.
It's up to the UK to make this work.
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Not really. We can leave and just announce that anyone from the south can travel to the north without a border. The EU and Southern Ireland can then do whatever they wish, but the onus will be on them. The UK have put forward a proposal, the EU have not. The ball is in their court......
 
Clint Planet said:
Brexit: Davis urges Brussels rethink on trade and withdrawal talks at same time
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...e-time?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard

Chaos latest.....
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None of the, have a scooby what's going on, and they're all so far out of their depth taking on seasoned europeN politicians that it isn't funny, it reminds me of when West Ham got in the europa league then lost against a load of beetroot farmers from the arsehole of nowhere.
 
Unless you can physically see what's happening during negotiations though you shouldn't worry. Admittedly, it's quite hard to do that with your head in the sand, but if anything that gives even greater comfort that if chaos emerges in the woods but you're not around to see it, it doesn't really exist.
 
Bruce Wayne said:
Unless you can physically see what's happening during negotiations though you shouldn't worry. Admittedly, it's quite hard to do that with your head in the sand, but if anything that gives even greater comfort that if chaos emerges in the woods but you're not around to see it, it doesn't really exist.
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Can you clarify your position on Brexit as of today please Brucey?

Also pm me the link to your just giving I promised I'd donate, it won't be much but it's all I can afford x
 
jal123 said:
Can you clarify your position on Brexit as of today please Brucey?

Also pm me the link to your just giving I promised I'd donate, it won't be much but it's all I can afford x
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I thought it was an incredibly poor idea prior to the vote, and little has happened to change that perception since. Indeed, there seems even less of an idea from the government as to what they want to get out of Brexit now than when they were campaigning for it. Even within the cabinet there seems little unity over what exactly Brexit will mean. It's an utter shambles and is shrouding both individuals and companies in uncertainty as to their future.
 
jal123 said:
None of the, have a scooby what's going on, and they're all so far out of their depth taking on seasoned europeN politicians that it isn't funny, it reminds me of when West Ham got in the europa league then lost against a load of beetroot farmers from the arsehole of nowhere.
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Don't be silly, the UK is playing it well, we are putting forward sensible suggestions and another 5 to be presented this week. The EU have offered nothing, they are mostly concerned with the exit bill while we are putting forward positive proposals. Our people are not 'out of their depth' and anyone who thinks so doesn't understand our government and the people who work in it. The EU has a single line that they are failing with. They are tying a bullying approach that we are circumventing and they will look foolish. Whatever they now do, they know that the UK has tried to be positive, has offered up proposals, and the EU is on the back foot. They can either respond positively or show themselves up to the world as bullies and protectionists. We still have the excellent option of just saying goodbye and paying nothing. The ball has firmly been put in their court and I'm not too sure they know what to do. We have changed the game......
 
I wonder if this Slovenian chap knows that only Germany can speak for the EU?

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...-this-autumn-will-be-dashed-says-slovenian-pm

@peteblue re your comments about walking away, I presume you're familiar with game theory? If we walk away, we're essentially saying that despite agreeing to fund xyz, we are now not going to. That may provide us with a short-term windfall in terms of not paying however many billion that bill is, but can you imagine going into future collaborations with other nations with this fresh in their mind? Do you think other nations will trust a government that is quite happy to dodge their obligations? That was always the problem with Greece, in that people wanted them to simply not pay their debts, whilst simultaneously expecting other mugs to subsequently lend them lots of money. Not particularly realistic is it?
 
jal123 said:
Can you clarify your position on Brexit as of today please Brucey?

Also pm me the link to your just giving I promised I'd donate, it won't be much but it's all I can afford x
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In many ways there's a nice analogy between our situation and one in Australia at the moment, where a whole bunch of senior politicians are resigning because of an arcane rule that says elected officials cannot serve if they have dual-citizenship. It was made in the 1800s when such things were incredibly rare and the world was much less inter-connected, so they felt it wrong to have anyone in power that might have 'allegiance' to a foreign power. Of course, that's patently nonsense these days, when I think around 25% of Australians were born overseas, and therefore have dual-citizenship.

It's harking back to a zero-sum world where other nations were seen as enemies, where populations were largely homogeneous, supply chains were national rather than international and foreign lands were pretty alien places.
 
Bruce Wayne said:
I wonder if this Slovenian chap knows that only Germany can speak for the EU?

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...-this-autumn-will-be-dashed-says-slovenian-pm

@peteblue re your comments about walking away, I presume you're familiar with game theory? If we walk away, we're essentially saying that despite agreeing to fund xyz, we are now not going to. That may provide us with a short-term windfall in terms of not paying however many billion that bill is, but can you imagine going into future collaborations with other nations with this fresh in their mind? Do you think other nations will trust a government that is quite happy to dodge their obligations? That was always the problem with Greece, in that people wanted them to simply not pay their debts, whilst simultaneously expecting other mugs to subsequently lend them lots of money. Not particularly realistic is it?
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We will no doubt pay any bill that we are legally bound to pay. We will always pay our legal debts.......
 
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