Current Affairs EU In or Out

In or Out

  • In

    Votes: 688 67.9%

  • Out

    Votes: 325 32.1%
  • Total voters
    1,013
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The binman chronicles said:
Juncker sharpening the knives already, that man is a grade A tit.

I can see why we can't get a good deal as it would mean the end of the EU, but surely by doing a deal (or no deal) that negatively effects jobs and businesses inside their union undermines the whole point in having a union in the first place!
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We probably won't get a deal because we had the best deal on the table already.
 
Bruce Wayne said:
We probably won't get a deal because we had the best deal on the table already.
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True, but the way they are acting now is just validating a lot of peoples decisions to leave. It is crazy when you think a good deal for everyone in this situation may lead to a more open and free EU, instead of the empire bound by fear it has become.

I do empathise with Juncker as for him to do a positive deal must be like killing his own child as it's his labour of love.
 
The binman chronicles said:
True, but the way they are acting now is just validating a lot of peoples decisions to leave. It is crazy when you think a good deal for everyone in this situation may lead to a more open and free EU, instead of the empire bound by fear it has become.

I do empathise with Juncker as for him to do a positive deal must be like killing his own child as it's his labour of love.
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What is a positive deal?
 
Bruce Wayne said:
It's been clear from the off that this isn't on the table though hasn't it? And I mean from before the referendum even began.
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Unfortunately not, when I said good deal I actually meant the best deal for us. :)

But that would keep the plates spinning for everyone instead of the EU cutting off its nose to spite its face. I'm sure they will do better out of the whole situation but everyone will feel the pain when the inevitable happens.
 
JonS said:
McKinstry - ex Labour councillor gone Tory writer - in the Mail gives a breakdown of all the millions he feels the EU OWES US. Biased I'm sure but probably no more so than the EUs assessment

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4471334/LEO-McKINSTRY-explains-EU-owes-58bn.html?ITO=1490
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I might be barking up the wrong tree here, but this isn't an issue of assets and liabilities at all, it's an issue of us agreeing to fund projects whose lifecycle extends past us leaving, and whether we honour those agreements or not.
 
Bruce Wayne said:
I might be barking up the wrong tree here, but this isn't an issue of assets and liabilities at all, it's an issue of us agreeing to fund projects whose lifecycle extends past us leaving, and whether we honour those agreements or not.
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Why should we fund projects after we leave (other than if our country is still getting a benefit from them)?

I don't see that McKinstry is being any more biased or unreasonable than what the EU in their supposed accounting
 
Bruce Wayne said:
I might be barking up the wrong tree here, but this isn't an issue of assets and liabilities at all, it's an issue of us agreeing to fund projects whose lifecycle extends past us leaving, and whether we honour those agreements or not.
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So we can only accept the issues the EU raises, and not raise any of our own regarding likely financial liability from them to us???

You're Angela Merkel and Charles De Gaulle combined in disguise, aren't you Bruce...
 
It's going to happen, and I hope for a deal that works in our national interest.

I'm not entirely sure if the Tory's can actually do that, adjudging their current performance.
 
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