Current Affairs EU In or Out

[peteblue]

I see the EU are now suggesting that we pay them over £90Bn. They are just throwing any numbers out there now as a softening up process. The backstabbing story from Juncker and his mates from the dinner is a mistake. Who, which leader anywhere in the world would now trust the EU in 'private' discussions. As a certain US President might say 'Big, big mistake'

Yes, they've made a few headlines and had a jolly good laugh but it will undermine the EU, for even the 27 will be very wary of what they say privately to Juncker. Meanwhile quite a few of the EU countries, not least France, will have noted that the first thing he did was to report back to his boss Mrs Merkel.

It has however also smoked out our own traitors and cowards.

Both Labour and the Lib Dems sought to capitalise on the reports, but Christopher Meyer, former British ambassador to the US, criticised those who readily accepted the EU’s depiction of the dinner. He said: ‘I am revolted by the Remoaners’ assumption that Juncker’s leak was a true and unbiased account of his dinner with the PM.’

Strange times indeed, when British politicians immediately side with the EU without even once considering that they may just be getting played like the proverbial fiddle.........

 

[Bruce Wayne]

A former ambassador using the phrase remoaner? What a world.

 

[peteblue]

A former ambassador using the phrase remoaner? What a world.

I thought that as well, but he's still correct.....

 

[peteblue]

Hahahaha......after the US said 5 EU countries couldn't have a visa waiver......

"US travellers to the EU won't require visas despite demands from the European Parliament.

The European Commission on Tuesday (2 May) told reporters that such a move would not be in the mutual interest of EU citizens.

"The European Union will always choose engagement, commitment, and passionate diplomacy over any form of unilateral retaliation," said EU commissioner for home affairs, Dimitris Avramopoulos."

 

[dandydan]

No mate, why would it?

Any stats on how many Labour voters voted for brexit? @dandydan Im hoping for a right wing tainted pie chart from you sir.

Timbo, you're from a good working class part of the world. Don't ever fall for the tories. Don't ever be seduced by intolerance. We can smoke cigars together and sing socialist songs at some point.

But recognising democracy must also involve a recognition that between two-thirds and three-quarters of Labour voters supported remain, according to the pollsters and the detailed analysis made by John Curtice. Much is made of the fact that around two-thirds of Labour-held constituencies voted leave, but even in many of these it is probable that most Labour voters supported remain, and of course very many of the Lleave votes came from Tories or Ukip supporters.

See bold. You can either believe the pollsters or the reality.

 

[Eggs]

....the U.K. can't be seen to be getting a good deal otherwise others might want to leave. What I can't understand is why an independent arbritor agreed by both sides is not being appointed to determine the 'divorce settlement'.

 

[peteblue]

....the U.K. can't be seen to be getting a good deal otherwise others might want to leave. What I can't understand is why an independent arbritor agreed by both sides is not being appointed to determine the 'divorce settlement'.

At the end of the day, if no deal is done and the two years have passed, we just walk away. If we agree to an independent arbiter then we have to pay whatever number is agreed. Why would we be willing to give up a bargaining position ?

 

[edge]

....the U.K. can't be seen to be getting a good deal otherwise others might want to leave. What I can't understand is why an independent arbritor agreed by both sides is not being appointed to determine the 'divorce settlement'.

there would have to be common ground , for what was on offer for a amicable divorce settlement on both sides there isn't one at present,
The UK isn't a naughty child that needs its legs smacking and thrown on the naughty step, why should or indeed why will it accept a deal that's not in its own interests.
The UK has been quite on no deal front at the moment, early days and an election looming, but they have plenty scope for retaliating if the EU carries on making daft noises .
it will boil down to a decent deal for both sides ,with may be a bit of face saving on both sides if common sense prevails, or the UK will simply walk away and let the legal teams fight it out what we are entitled to have or don't have, under EU terms of membership. world trade rules, which I am sure they have already done from the bits I have read up on the subject.

 

[peteblue]

there would have to be common ground , for what was on offer for a amicable divorce settlement on both sides there isn't one at present,
The UK isn't a naughty child that needs its legs smacking and thrown on the naughty step, why should or indeed why will it accept a deal that's not in its own interests.
The UK has been quite on no deal front at the moment, early days and an election looming, but they have plenty scope for retaliating if the EU carries on making daft noises .
it will boil down to a decent deal for both sides ,with may be a bit of face saving on both sides if common sense prevails, or the UK will simply walk away and let the legal teams fight it out what we are entitled to have or don't have, under EU terms of membership. world trade rules, which I am sure they have already done from the bits I have read up on the subject.

At some point the national politicians of the 27 will have words with the EU. There are a whole raft of EU people trying to muscle in on the Brexit negotiations and making a bit of a pigs ear (sorry Dave) of it. They bullied Greece etc without a second thought, they wanted to retaliate against the USA for travel from 5 EU countries but have backed down and the only thing that makes them think they will get away with bullying the UK is Clegg, Sturgeon and co ( I don't include Corbyn because TBF he's played a reasonably straight bat on this) trying to undermine the UK's position. It won't work but it's the game they will play......

 

[Gwladysstreetlad]

A former ambassador using the phrase remoaner? What a world.

No more cringeworthy then Brexiter. Both silly non-words that should embarrass anyone who uses them in an actual conversation.

 

[Moomin]

No more cringeworthy then Brexiter. Both silly non-words that should embarrass anyone who uses them in an actual conversation.

Brexiter is in the dictionary now. While remoaner is in the urban dictionary as the insult of choice for a Brexiter.

 

[Gwladysstreetlad]

Brexiter is in the dictionary now. While remoaner is in the urban dictionary as the insult of choice for a Brexiter.

Doesn't make it any less cringeworthy. It's nonsense that the word Brexiter is in the dictionary as far as I'm concerned.

 

[peteblue]

It’s effectively a declaration of hostility.....Yanis Varoufakis

“What Mr Barnier just said, his message to London is this: ‘We’re going to enter a negotiation, you must commit in advance to everything we want from you, without us committing to giving you anything back’.

“‘When you have given us a full commitment on everything we want, then at some point with the clock ticking beyond the two-year period, then we will think about what you want’.

“It’s effectively a declaration of hostility.”

 

[Moomin]

It’s effectively a declaration of hostility.....Yanis Varoufakis

“What Mr Barnier just said, his message to London is this: ‘We’re going to enter a negotiation, you must commit in advance to everything we want from you, without us committing to giving you anything back’.

“‘When you have given us a full commitment on everything we want, then at some point with the clock ticking beyond the two-year period, then we will think about what you want’.

“It’s effectively a declaration of hostility.”

Nothing will be agreed in 2019, talks will carry on falor at least another year and possibly longer.

 

[edge]

At some point the national politicians of the 27 will have words with the EU. There are a whole raft of EU people trying to muscle in on the Brexit negotiations and making a bit of a pigs ear (sorry Dave) of it. They bullied Greece etc without a second thought, they wanted to retaliate against the USA for travel from 5 EU countries but have backed down and the only thing that makes them think they will get away with bullying the UK is Clegg, Sturgeon and co ( I don't include Corbyn because TBF he's played a reasonably straight bat on this) trying to undermine the UK's position. It won't work but it's the game they will play......

I think that with all the posturing going on, we are going to run out of time and there will be a mad scramble to get a deal once reality bites home to get a deal done.
May will have a majority by then ,and lets face it a lot of her party don't want a deal so cant see any rush to take any deal on offer, the EU are badly misjudging the situation with the UK if they think we are like Greece, but then again that's one of the problems with the EU they only see things from the perspective of the EU project, they are playing right into the hands of those that want a hard Brexit.
one thing that's isn't talked about is what will the EU do without the UK , how will they carry on with a hole in there finances were the UK used to be?
Greece , Italy ect problems havnt gone away.
if they punish us, there words, how do they cope with a hostile country , not playing by there rules right on the border, who for instance could join other trading blocks, make it difficult to enter markets it controls ect?