Current Affairs EU In or Out

[Old Blue 2]

Genuinely can you tell me which side I've not seen - I'm not with you.

What grade in the DHSS/DSS/Benefits Agency or any other title it may have, were/are you...?

 

[The Esk]

What grade in the DHSS/DSS/Benefits Agency or any other title it may have, were/are you...?

None, but what are you trying to say?

 

[Brennan]

Blaming the problems with the NHS on migrants is moronic.

 

[bflefc]

I refer the honourable gentleman to this classic post from back in 1997 by Paul Krugman. It refers to technology, but at its core is about job displacement so the same applies.

http://www.slate.com/articles/business/the_dismal_science/1997/01/the_accidental_theorist.html

Rather than citing someone else, can you post your own thoughts in response to my original question, please?

You've waxed lyrical about immigrants being net contributors, and I wouldn't deny that, individually, when working and paying taxes etc they very well may be.

But my question centred around the overall cost across society, to all the tax payers. Are you saying that the British chef still looking for work is not a burden to the national coffers? Perhaps you're saying the tax paid by the immigrant worker who got the chef job covers the benefits he/his family claim off the state?

 

[The Cowboy]

Back on the subject of the EU, is it ok that with the Customs Union there are no tariffs on trade between EU countries but that all EU countries must charge obligatory set tarrifs on countries outside the EU when they want to trade inside the EU?

IMO I don't think it is ok and is designed to just make the rich EU countries even richer at the expense of the rest of the world.

Similarly, why freedom of movement of workers between EU countries but no freedom of movement for or from countries outside the EU?

I do get frustrated at "Remain" being seen as a more liberal, progressive option when to me it seems anything but, and when Brexiteers like myself are labelled not-progressive or even racist for wanting a more world-centric unselfish Britain (though I do accept that some pro-Brexit politicians are more likely to go down the Little Englander route)

Leave voters are ridiculed endlessly in the most irritatingly patronising way. HIGNFY was rubbish last night, spending the entire episode belittling the UKIP woman who didn't seem do bad imo and answered perfectly sensibly when required. She wasn't particularly funny but that's beside the point.

I'm now thoroughly, thoroughly sick of Remainers lauding it up as if they're the moral arbiters, and all Leaver voters are dumb, amoral, racist bigots. There are countless reasons for voting leave, and all Leave voters will have an order of preference for those reasons - 'keeping out those nasty immigrants' being low down on many, many Leave voters lists.

And finally - Remainers trying to use the Leave campaign politicians as some sort of indicator of your average Leave voter, well they might want to look at the key players in the Remain campaign. A certain D. Cameron is hardly a beacon of virtue...

 

[bflefc]

Leave voters are ridiculed endlessly in the most irritatingly patronising way. HIGNFY was rubbish last night, spending the entire episode belittling the UKIP woman who didn't seem do bad imo and answered perfectly sensibly when required. She wasn't particularly funny but that's beside the point.

I'm now thoroughly, thoroughly sick of Remainers lauding it up as if they're the moral arbiters, and all Leaver voters are dumb, amoral, racist bigots. There are countless reasons for voting leave, and all Leave voters will have an order of preference for those reasons - 'keeping out those nasty immigrants' being low down on many, many Leave voters lists.

And finally - Remainers trying to use the Leave campaign politicians as some sort of indicator of your average Leave voter, well they might want to look at the key players in the Remain campaign. A certain D. Cameron is hardly a beacon of virtue...

THIS

 

[Old Blue 2]

None, but what are you trying to say?

That you don't know the true scenario of claims, and paying benefits to all levels of those in the UK. That's the point, yet you talk on here as if you know the whole thing inside out...

 

[The Esk]

That you don't know the true scenario of claims, and paying benefits to all levels of those in the UK. That's the point, yet you talk on here as if you know the whole thing inside out...

I know the information published by the ONS - are you suggesting they're not correct?

 

[Old Blue 2]

Blaming the problems with the NHS on migrants is moronic.

If this is all you think, then you have not even begun to understand, or realise, the ramifications of a burgeoning population on the nation's infrastructure, and how it needs to keep pace with the upward numerical changes of the population.

 

[Old Blue 2]

I know the information published by the ONS - are you suggesting they're not correct?

All you seem to do is quote what others say. You have no evidence of life experience in this area, it would appear, so it would be better if you just said nothing. 'Never reinforce failure', and that is exactly what you are doing with your glib posts...

AND, you will always be told what the official side want you to know, not always the truth. If we ever meet up, I will tell you the real reason why the payment card system never came to fruition, and it was decided to make benefit payments direct to bank accounts instead. Believe me, the truth of that one is scary...

 

[The Esk]

If this is all you think, then you have not even begun to understand, or realise, the ramifications of a burgeoning population on the nation's infrastructure, and how it needs to keep pace with the upward numerical changes of the population.

A 'burgeoning population' is only a problem when Government chooses not to fund the public services required.

The immigrant population assists by increasing the number of economically active versus those not active (the retired).

 

[The Esk]

All you seem to do is quote what others

Not at all, I substantiate my own views (based on life experience) with the evidence from official sources.

 

[Elong]

A 'burgeoning population' is only a problem when Government chooses not to fund the public services required.

The immigrant population assists by increasing the number of economically active versus those not active (the retired).

Was about to post the same. Anyone looking at immigration as a burden is a glass half empty viewpoint.

 

[The Esk]

Was about to post the same. Anyone looking at immigration as a burden is a glass half empty viewpoint.

Here here

 

[Old Blue 2]

1. A 'burgeoning population' is only a problem when Government chooses not to fund the public services required.

2. The immigrant population assists by increasing the number of economically active versus those not active (the retired).

1. Which is exactly what I said earlier. Thank you for agreeing with me.

2. What exactly is your problem with those who have worked all their life and have paid in all their life.
Quite frankly, your attitude, and the desire to state at every opportunity (either covertly [as above] or otherwise) that somehow the immigrant population (which is a catch-all phrase to include ALL those who enter the country) enriches the complete infrastructure of the country at every turn, is wrong, and entirely misplaced.
You are simply peddling the same old trash that we have heard from the Remainers since 24th June, and it is boring, boring, boring...
Why not talk about how wonderful the EU is with characters like Juncker. Or how wonderful it would be with a European army. You, and the rest of those who take your side, have remained curiously silent on those kind of matters.

Selective again, Esk. But we (those who voted Leave) can see through all the bluster.