EST Safe Standing Survey Results

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Could very well prove to be the best way, but fans of all team should be allowed to get involved if they wish.

If it is a safety matter then their own safety is important, why shouldn't they argue for guarantees to their safety.

If it's not a safety issue, then why can't they argue for what they want?

People can do whatever they want mate I'm just pointing out the current lack of effect any such arguments would make at this current stage of the process. It's essentially a waste of energy, but it's your energy at the end of the day, so if you want to waste it then good luck to you
 

Will it stop crushes, when we score everyone used to pile forward and those at the front got crushed. Standing was the cause of a lot of problems, overcrowding etc. I'm not convinced it should come back.
 
Will it stop crushes, when we score everyone used to pile forward and those at the front got crushed. Standing was the cause of a lot of problems, overcrowding etc. I'm not convinced it should come back.
Sorry mate but standing alone did not cause problems. What you are describing is the old-style terracing where thousands of people would be herded into pens with the crowd surging in an uncontrolled fashion.

Safe standing / rail seating is completely different to this. It is impossible to create a surge because there is a rail between every single row. In some ways, rail seating is possibly safer than the seated stands we have now because there is a rail there to stop a person from falling over the seats into the row in front.
 
Sorry mate but standing alone did not cause problems. What you are describing is the old-style terracing where thousands of people would be herded into pens with the crowd surging in an uncontrolled fashion.

Safe standing / rail seating is completely different to this. It is impossible to create a surge because there is a rail between every single row. In some ways, rail seating is possibly safer than the seated stands we have now because there is a rail there to stop a person from falling over the seats into the row in front.

I'm all for it if its proven 100% to be safe, as long as it's not like it used to be.
 
People can do whatever they want mate I'm just pointing out the current lack of effect any such arguments would make at this current stage of the process. It's essentially a waste of energy, but it's your energy at the end of the day, so if you want to waste it then good luck to you

Well unfortunately it could be said that that is true on every thread on a messageboard. Talk of players, tactics, the ground, that we all deluded into thinking our energy is spent on making a difference.

As if Koeman is going to read the posts saying, you know what, x on the GOT thread is right our midfield. Or that Meis is reading the posts saying that's a good point on page 525 on the ground thread. But as it happens I'm posting in work, so it's actually your money I'm wasting...(does evil laugh)!

(nb It's actually not your money but that's not as funny)
 

It should be Merseyside leading the way on this. It seems wrong that fans on Merseyside should actually have to campaign for safety? The clubs see Everton and Liverpool fans stand in their thousands on many most matches plus away fully stood.

However, to me though that actually says that the clubs know that it is safe to stand where they are standing at present, and that it is more of a customer service issue of fans who wish to sit are caught up amongst standing.
Why 'Merseyside'? Yes we rightly stood shoulder to shoulder with them through the inquiry, but we are not duty bound to do everything as a union. Everton should never have to await permission from Liverpool to do anything.
 

Yes it did, there was to many people in that end. As people didnt have seat numbers

Liverpool will never ever have it and neither should we

Nothing to do with standing at all, put the same numbers in a seated area inside a pen and it would be far far worse.
 
Will it stop crushes, when we score everyone used to pile forward and those at the front got crushed. Standing was the cause of a lot of problems, overcrowding etc. I'm not convinced it should come back.

How would that happen in a rail seating system?

Simple answer is it wouldn't. Just think of it as exactly the same as now but with a rail just above waist height to lean on.

It would be 1:1 in this country anyway
 
How would that happen in a rail seating system?

Simple answer is it wouldn't. Just think of it as exactly the same as now but with a rail just above waist height to lean on.

It would be 1:1 in this country anyway

I didn't know what a rail system was mate, that's why I was asking.
 
I'm a big fan of rail seating / safe standing, but there seems to be a fundamental flaw in this survey.

44% of the people surveyed say they go to all, or most, of the away matches, but the maximum allocation is 3000.

Given we have 30,000 plus season ticket holders and are selling out Goodison week in week out, I'm struggling to see how the survey was representative, because 44% implies well over 10,000 people go to all the aways, which is plainly wrong.

@SimonM - am I missing something subtle here ?
 

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