EST Safe Standing Survey Results

[zzr45]

Your wording is peculiar.

The intent of the survey was to gauge support for safe standing - based on the relatively small sample size and the modest aims of the survey I'd say it was successful.

It wasn't intended to be a dissertation FFS.

Eh, if it was being taken to an a MP or being used as a mandate to campaign as the document states, I wouldn't see it being taken as a particularly well put together argument for that level.

If I was the MP that this was taken to I'd even want to see real basics - could it be argued that it's based mainly on the nostalgia of people who went to the grounds in the 70s & 80s and might actually put off the next generation of fans. Where's the evidence that standing tickets are actually cheaper etc, etc. Why do 36% of people think that standing would reduce conflict with stewards and police - arguably isn't that a very dangerous justification?

The aims laid out within the study, to use it as a platform for discussion, are completely missed. It says something, but I could ask 10 mates and give you the same sort of answers.

 

[Boss_Blue]

Eh, if it was being taken to an a MP or being used as a mandate to campaign as the document states, I wouldn't see it being taken as a particularly well put together argument for that level.

If I was the MP that this was taken to I'd even want to see real basics - could it be argued that it's based mainly on the nostalgia of people who went to the grounds in the 70s & 80s and might actually put off the next generation of fans. Where's the evidence that standing tickets are actually cheaper etc, etc. Why do 36% of people think that standing would reduce conflict with stewards and police - arguably isn't that a very dangerous justification?

The aims laid out within the study, to use it as a platform for discussion, are completely missed. It says something, but I could ask 10 mates and give you the same sort of answers.

LOL

Or they will pass the results on to the club as further evidence that safe standing is an option worth investigating.

You can pass on your ten mates' opinions as well if you want.

 

[toffeemax]

I prefer to sit at games myself but would like to see safe standing areas as there's plenty of people that like to stand. So long as it doesn't mean having to listen to someone belting a drum for the entire 90 mins as seems to happen at Celtic.

having an area will help those wanting to sit as well, number of times i've been at games and some want to sit some want to stand and it causes arguments is ridiculous.

 

[strummer]

...never understood why folk prefer to stand than sit but that's just my view. I accept others feel differently and that some are passionate on this subject so I wouldn't object if it's what enough folk want.

The advantage of standing apart from the definite improved atmosphere in the ground is you can end up sitting next to annoying negative idiot all season. On the terraces you could just move away from people like that

 

[The Cowboy]

The advantage of standing apart from the definite improved atmosphere in the ground is you can end up sitting next to annoying negative idiot all season. On the terraces you could just move away from people like that

Rail Seating won't prevent that, unfortunately.

 

[strummer]

Rail Seating won't prevent that, unfortunately.

Yeah true.I'd just like to see old fashioned terracing reinstated. Just let less people in to make it safer

 

[joey_macmo]

For one, people would have searched for the location of their allocated seat rather than take the same path into an already over crowded pen,had an allocated seating arrangement been in place at Hillsborough. thats nothing to do with the act of standing, thats to do with unreserved tickets, wouldnt have changed if seats were in place.

But it's just generally ridiculous to say standing played no role when it was a fundamental element of the disaster, ITs not at all, it was to do with unreserved tickets, youve provided zero evidence that standing rather than seating caused the disaster.

hence the decision to eradicate it as a safety measure in response to the disaster. The decision was based on a lot of incorrect information which has now been corrected.

If there's no increase in capacity then there isn't a problem, people have been standing up infront of their seats for years.

Your whole point seems to revolve around unreserved tickets and not standing at all, this doesn't happen in the new rail seating system thus has no relevance to the debate at all.

 

[Dymak]

Your whole point seems to revolve around unreserved tickets and not standing at all, this doesn't happen in the new rail seating system thus has no relevance to the debate at all.

My concern has always been about possible increases in capacity in areas that I think are full enough already, and which may not be the most accessible from the outside. If this 'rail seating' that you are talking about is little different from standing up infront of your allocated seat, then I agree there is not a problem. However I would like to know how that works at Dortmund, when attendances can increase by about 20,000 people when they switch between rail seating and all seater arrangements, and when the 'safe standing roadshow' organisation are talking about 80% increases in attendances.

http://www.safestandingroadshow.co.uk/the-case-for-safe-standing/case-for-3

So yes, you are right, if there were a load of allocated seats for people to stand up infront of at Hilsborough then the the disaster may not have happened. But in real life, the overcrowding outside of Hillsborough and the fact they didn't have an allocated seat to go to played large contributions to the disaster.

 

[marsh]

Hope this happens

 

[Lee Smith]

I'm pretty sure the main reason the Hillsborough tragedy happened wasn't because of standing or unreserved ticketing, but because of that huge fricking metal fence that stopped people being able to safely escape onto the pitch. The fact that these are no longer in place makes a huge difference. Then factor in the fact that rail seating has a clear barrier between each row to eliminate any surging (which current seating doesn't), leads me to believe that you'd actually be SAFER in a rail seating (standing) area.

 

[summerisle]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/38923080

Safe standing: Government remains 'unconvinced' by case

The government "remains unconvinced" by the case to reintroduce safe standing to Premier League and Championship grounds in England.

Scottish champions Celtic opened a standing section at Celtic Park last summer, which a report says will continue to be monitored.

Premier League clubs agreed further talks on the possibility of introducing safe standing at grounds in November.

A change to allow standing in England would need a change in legislation.

Top flight and Championship stadiums have to be all-seater after terraces were outlawed in the aftermath of the 1989 Hillsborough disaster.

Ninety-six Liverpool fans standing on the terraces died during the Reds' FA Cup semi-final with Nottingham Forest at Sheffield Wednesday's ground.

The report - an annual update to the Department for Culture, Media and Sport's 'Sporting Future: A New Strategy for an Active Nation' - also highlighted that the Premier League had honoured their commitment to at least double their investment in grassroots football with at least £100 million a year of funding.

 

[Lee Smith]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/38923080

Safe standing: Government remains 'unconvinced' by case

The government "remains unconvinced" by the case to reintroduce safe standing to Premier League and Championship grounds in England.

Scottish champions Celtic opened a standing section at Celtic Park last summer, which a report says will continue to be monitored.

Premier League clubs agreed further talks on the possibility of introducing safe standing at grounds in November.

A change to allow standing in England would need a change in legislation.

Top flight and Championship stadiums have to be all-seater after terraces were outlawed in the aftermath of the 1989 Hillsborough disaster.

Ninety-six Liverpool fans standing on the terraces died during the Reds' FA Cup semi-final with Nottingham Forest at Sheffield Wednesday's ground.

The report - an annual update to the Department for Culture, Media and Sport's 'Sporting Future: A New Strategy for an Active Nation' - also highlighted that the Premier League had honoured their commitment to at least double their investment in grassroots football with at least £100 million a year of funding.

Just read that on the BBC website. What struck me was that there were zero quotes from the government apart from the "remains unconvinced". Where did that quote come from, a spokesman? Be interesting to hear exactly why this is so if that's the case

 

[summerisle]

Just read that on the BBC website. What struck me was that there were zero quotes from the government apart from the "remains unconvinced". Where did that quote come from, a spokesman? Be interesting to hear exactly why this is so if that's the case

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...for-reintroducing-safe-standing-a7571676.html

 

[jal123]

For one, people would have searched for the location of their allocated seat rather than take the same path into an already over crowded pen, had an allocated seating arrangement been in place at Hillsborough. But it's just generally ridiculous to say standing played no role when it was a fundamental element of the disaster, hence the decision to eradicate it as a safety measure in response to the disaster.

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Please, please please stop with your badly informed nonsense.

Just stop it.

 

[Dymak]

Please, please please stop with your badly informed nonsense.

Just stop it.

It isn't badly informed nonsense though, although you probably want it to be for some weird reason, but it isn't. If there had been allocated seating in the lower tier at Hillsborough then you would not have had everyone crowding in to the same two pens. They would have sought to find their allocated seats and there would have been ample seats available. And it's just a simple fact that standing at major football grounds was banned in England as a safety measure in response to the disaster.