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[Oddball]

Christ, this is the second time you've alluded to this today. You really don't believe (at least consistently) that anyone should be able to do whatever they want, so give your head a wobble. This is 55 Tufton Street propaganda.

i don`t believe? how so. explain please. edit-do you mean because i said that i`ve got no right to stop anyone if they want to fly their jet?

 

[Prevenger17]

all that carbon rubbish thrown at us- `carbon footprint` -`carbon neutral` etc etc remember that old saying `blind you with science` thats what i think is happening and we`re being scarred into believing the solution is more taxes and the limiting of personal choice.

 

[Oddball]

still wasting your time on me, you clever boy

 

[orchard]

i don`t believe? how so. explain please. edit-do you mean because i said that i`ve got no right to stop anyone if they want to fly their jet?

If you were to be consistent then you wouldn't care about property rights, money, or whether your mar had been intentionally ran over. It's not an absolute as you present it, although it's a good technique for getting an unthinking herd to rally around your cause.

 

[Rita_Poon]

all that carbon rubbish thrown at us- `carbon footprint` -`carbon neutral` etc etc remember that old saying `blind you with science` thats what i think is happening and we`re being scarred into believing the solution is more taxes and the limiting of personal choice.

being lashed very hard then!

 

[tsubaki]

all that carbon rubbish thrown at us- `carbon footprint` -`carbon neutral` etc etc remember that old saying `blind you with science` thats what i think is happening and we`re being scarred into believing the solution is more taxes and the limiting of personal choice.

not your or my personal choice mind; no matter how much I choose to fly to Tahiti in my personal jet, take my massive yacht out to the Carribean or drive down to the Nurburgring in my hypercar it always encounters the problem that is I cannot and will never be able to afford any of those things

 

[Oddball]

If you were to be consistent then you wouldn't care about property rights, money, or whether your mar had been intentionally ran over. It's not an absolute as you present it, although it's a good technique for getting an unthinking herd to rally around your cause.

if you are taking it to those extremes then forget it mate because you`re getting personal freedom mixed up with criminal intent. i was talking about the freedom to have a peaceful ciggie round the back and you`re making a parallel with killing someone

 

[JimmyJeffers]

Eurgh. Always get drawn into this.

How can you argue with someone who thinks they can sit in their bedroom and casually disregard the vast majority of scientific evidence with their 3rd class degree from Life University.

What a douche.

 

[orchard]

if you are taking it to those extremes then forget it mate because you`re getting personal freedom mixed up with criminal intent.

No, because the concept of criminality presupposes what you've denied.
Here's the upshot. You do indeed believe in restricting the actions of individuals. And specifically, in order to provide some degree of safety.

 

[Prevenger17]

Future generations will ask why we didn’t do more and just let things burn.

This really. It's like looking back and wondering how anyone listened to an obvious lunatic like Hitler, let alone put him in a position where he could drag the world into an utter catastrophe. But here we are, on the brink of something even more existentially threatening, and we're sleepwalking towards it.

 

[Jebus_lives]

Eurgh. Always get drawn into this.

How can you argue with someone who thinks they can sit in their bedroom and casually disregard the vast majority of scientific evidence with their 3rd class degree from Life University.

What a douche.

He's schooling you mate, you're dancing to the fiddlers tune, he's got you rattled, you're wasting time on him, he's the puppet master, dropping idea bombs, he's just playing you because he's so smart, weaving buzzwords, pop culture references and made up theory to crush all before him.

 

[Oddball]

No, because the concept of criminality presupposes what you've denied.
Here's the upshot. You do indeed believe in restricting the actions of individuals. And specifically, in order to provide some degree of safety.

what i`m probably presupposing is decent and well adjusted individuals. is criminality predictable and guaranteed? and you reckon i believe anyone who stabs someone should get banged up? i believe you can do what you want but there may be consequences.

 

[Oddball]

Eurgh. Always get drawn into this.

What a douche.

i don`t think you`re a douche JJ, go easy on yourself. sit down and have a nice cup of tea.

 

[JimmyJeffers]

He's schooling you mate, you're dancing to the fiddlers tune, he's got you rattled, you're wasting time on him, he's the puppet master, dropping idea bombs, he's just playing you because he's so smart, weaving buzzwords, pop culture references and made up theory to crush all before him.

He won the battle mate. But not the WAR

 

[Oddball]

This really. It's like looking back and wondering how anyone listened to an obvious lunatic like Hitler, let alone put him in a position where he could drag the world into an utter catastrophe. But here we are, on the brink of something even more existentially threatening, and we're sleepwalking towards it.

i can feel your pain coming through the ether mate, heart-breaking ?. the depth of feeling in your post, the sheer emotion conveyed is only matched by them banners we look in awe at on The Kop