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Walken said:
More selfish farmers, supported by expert climatologists such as Jeremy Clarkson
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One needs to be careful because the 'far' right are running to create the headlines and redirect the farmers and the narrative.

The farmers are obviously annoyed and fairly desperate, but environmental schemes are only one element, and the likes of Farage are fairly keen to gloss over the others, like trade deals with countries with lower standards that can export here at will and freely compete with them, supermarkets/agents/agri-chem industry treating them poorly with no government legislation to curb abuse and, obviously, the government created cost of living crisis adding to the whole cocktail.
 
Just as i'd feared the right a running away with the farmer protest narrative. It's all about Drakeford and Labour's environmental policy with Tory politicians at the fore. Supermarkets are even sponsoring busses to the protests. The brass neck ffs.
 
Walken said:
The NFU and the tories will be old friends no doubt, opportunist belters
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Sure. Tried and tested coup through misdirection by the main culprits of the problems. One of the Conservatives alleged he'd received death threats too the other day in the wake of the Westminster drama.
W.Labour are far from blameless too, but a lot of their policies were driven by COP/Westminster agreements, however useless and corrupted their efforts are here. I also blame the NGO's like NT and RSPB for being too aggressive with their pet interests. Personally, I'd tell them all to do one and provide a decent subsidy covering one persons wage for the first acreage (defined by average family farm size prior to the 'Green' Revolution) provided it was organic and regenerative (original definitions not the ones being redefined by chemical ag) and leave it at that.
 
The ObserverRishi Sunak

Sunak stands with net zero and climate conspiracy group at farming protest​

Demonstration against Welsh Labour policy included No Farmers No Food campaign calling for end to climate measures, and Welsh Tory leader

Rishi Sunak attended a protest alongside a group which has posted conspiracy theories about climate change, and which campaigns against net zero, the Observer can reveal.

The prime minister has been accused of “pandering to extremists” by farmers and wildlife groups, who have asked him to “listen to reason and logic” rather than conspiracy theories.


Sunak has been making a concerted effort to improve his party’s standing in rural areas after polling showed the majority of countryside seats are likely to be lost to Labour and the Liberal Democrats at the next general election. Last week, he gave the keynote address at the National Farmers’ Union conference where he told farmers “I have your back.”

On Friday, he attended a farmers’ protest against the Welsh Labour government, which has brought in a new payments scheme in which farmers will have to prove 10% of their land is woodland and 10% of it is quality habitat for wildlife. He appeared alongside farmer Gareth Wyn Jones and stood next to placards emblazoned with the logo for the campaign “No Farmers No Food”.

Wyn Jones is a leading supporter of the campaign, which was started and is being run by James Melville, a GB News pundit and communications consultant.
 
Moomin said:
Some good news for investment in the Green sector. Still have FID to get past but a move forward.

www.bbc.com

Saltend: Hydrogen energy site given the green light

The H2H Saltend plant could create about 2,200 jobs and cut local emissions by a third.
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www.bbc.co.uk

Government approves Teesworks net zero power station

Plans to create the power station near Redcar have reached a "major milestone".
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk
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Good to see the progress, its sounds carbon capture is still the get go for hydrogen.

I was reading today about the potential rapid drop in pricing for building electrolysers, if electrolosis becomes viable it would be a totally green energy.
 
Walken said:
Good to see the progress, its sounds carbon capture is still the get go for hydrogen.

I was reading today about the potential rapid drop in pricing for building electrolysers, if electrolosis becomes viable it would be a totally green energy.
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At the moment its very expensive for Electrolysers but the price will come down eventually. Just have to go back quite a few years and look at the price of wind turbines and once they went into mass production the price came flying down.

Blue Hydrogen is a short term fix and a fraction of the price to produce compared to Green.
 
Looks like Desmog were were well ahead of my poor commentary:

Revealed: The Climate Denial Network Behind ‘Classic Astroturf’ Farmers’ Campaign​

Producers say ‘No Farmers, No Food’ is a populist initiative that serves to “whip up indignation and anger”.

ByClare Carlile, Adam Barnett and Phoebe Cooke
onFeb 8, 2024 @ 04:05 PST

A network of climate science deniers has been accused of “hijacking” rural concerns over a new social media campaign “to save the farming industry”.

‘No Farmers, No Food’ has gained over 50,000 followers on X in the fortnight since its launch, which was framed as a response to the widespread farmers’ protests sweeping across Europe.

The campaign, which started in the UK, has rapidly won support from a number of international pundits, from Canadian climate science denier Jordan Peterson, to Fox News contributor and host Tomi Lahren, who has called climate change a “hoax”. Populist politicians in the UK and elsewhere have also declared their support.

Conspiracy theorists have jumped to support the social media account, which has boosted false claims about people being forced by the World Economic Forum to “eat bugs”.

The campaign has expressed scepticism around climate targets, claiming that “Farming is being sacrificed on the altar of net zero.”

Sporting a distinctive black and yellow tractor logo, the campaign’s hashtag trended on X a week after its launch on 23 January. Its founder James Melville told DeSmog that the campaign, which claims to represent the voices of farmers, plans to target national and local legislation on issues like pricing and food security as well as “aspects of net zero”.

James Melville is a PR consultant who has appeared as an anti-lockdown campaigner on right-wing broadcaster TalkTV and a farming commentator on GB News. A former journalist who grew up on a livestock and arable farm, he said he started the campaign to put “pressure on governments to help farmers … and shape the messages that will build public support”.

“I think it’s time for a national debate on climate and net zero,” Melville told DeSmog. The campaign is due to launch a new mission statement in the coming days.
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orchard said:
Looks like Desmog were were well ahead of my poor commentary:

Revealed: The Climate Denial Network Behind ‘Classic Astroturf’ Farmers’ Campaign​

Producers say ‘No Farmers, No Food’ is a populist initiative that serves to “whip up indignation and anger”.

ByClare Carlile, Adam Barnett and Phoebe Cooke
onFeb 8, 2024 @ 04:05 PST

A network of climate science deniers has been accused of “hijacking” rural concerns over a new social media campaign “to save the farming industry”.

‘No Farmers, No Food’ has gained over 50,000 followers on X in the fortnight since its launch, which was framed as a response to the widespread farmers’ protests sweeping across Europe.

The campaign, which started in the UK, has rapidly won support from a number of international pundits, from Canadian climate science denier Jordan Peterson, to Fox News contributor and host Tomi Lahren, who has called climate change a “hoax”. Populist politicians in the UK and elsewhere have also declared their support.

Conspiracy theorists have jumped to support the social media account, which has boosted false claims about people being forced by the World Economic Forum to “eat bugs”.

The campaign has expressed scepticism around climate targets, claiming that “Farming is being sacrificed on the altar of net zero.”

Sporting a distinctive black and yellow tractor logo, the campaign’s hashtag trended on X a week after its launch on 23 January. Its founder James Melville told DeSmog that the campaign, which claims to represent the voices of farmers, plans to target national and local legislation on issues like pricing and food security as well as “aspects of net zero”.

James Melville is a PR consultant who has appeared as an anti-lockdown campaigner on right-wing broadcaster TalkTV and a farming commentator on GB News. A former journalist who grew up on a livestock and arable farm, he said he started the campaign to put “pressure on governments to help farmers … and shape the messages that will build public support”.

“I think it’s time for a national debate on climate and net zero,” Melville told DeSmog. The campaign is due to launch a new mission statement in the coming days.
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A climate change denier like that Melville being concerned about food security. I wonder what the number one driver for food security issues will be in the coming decades. Its utterly tragic that these people have such a voice and an audience, continously proved wrong (as he was during covid) and yet allowed to return again and again.
 
NilSatisOptimum said:
Just say your Green and reap the rewards.

www.bbc.co.uk

Drax: UK power station still burning rare forest wood

Owner Drax, which received £6bn in subsidies, continues to burn timber from Canadian trees - BBC finds.
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Thought we'd done this, including Drax specifically. Wait until the Daily Mail start delving into CCS, Carbon trading, carbon offsetting and probably eventually H2.
It doesn't follow that just because our systems and financial vehicles have been corrupted that there is nothing wrong with the environment. It doesn't make it right that the tax payer is getting played, but the actual grifters generally are as clueless as you are about the environment and 'green'.
 
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