English FA to adopt the "Rooney Rule"
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canuckblue
Player Valuation: £50m
Giving our Wayne a bit too much sway there.
If it keeps Mark Hughes out of a job I'm all for it.
TraffordBlue
Player Valuation: £30m
It still allows the best person for the job to get the job. Just provides an opportunity for a person from an ethnic minority to have a chance to be interviewed.
What I am unsure on though is do they have a rule where they only have a set total number of people that can go on a shortlist? I see no problem with having this rule if it gives more opportunity to people from different ethnic minorities. But don't agree with a valid white candidate missing out on the shortlist just because they need to fill a quota and there isn't enough places left.
barneygumble
Player Valuation: £60m
This is what is wrong with the World.
I don't care if we have Guardiola, nor do I care if we have a man with no arms or legs. What i want is the best man for the job, be he White, Asian Black, Gay or Straight. I want to win, and want the best to do so, if that person happens to be of ethnic minority, then absolutely fine, but surely guaranteeing someone of an ethnic background an interview will make them try less?
I don't care if we have Guardiola, nor do I care if we have a man with no arms or legs. What i want is the best man for the job, be he White, Asian Black, Gay or Straight. I want to win, and want the best to do so, if that person happens to be of ethnic minority, then absolutely fine, but surely guaranteeing someone of an ethnic background an interview will make them try less?
They just have to be interviewed, not hired.
If it means Sol Campbell finally has to face up to the fact that people aren't hiring him because he's a tory bell and not because of his ethnicity then I can get behind it.
TraffordBlue
Player Valuation: £30m
Getting an interview doesn't mean they'll get the job though does it. So of course they will try otherwise they won't get the job at the end of it and will have wasted their own time.
Why though? They should only be a candidate if their deemed good enough to potentially do the job. The colour of your skin has nothing to do with your ability to do a job, it's pc bull...
Black managers that I can think of off the top of my head:
John Barnes = disaster
Chris Powell = limited success
Paul ince = poor record
Chris hughton = doing pretty well
Of the four only one has had any kind of success.
Let's imagine the scenario. A manager applys for the everton job after Sam leaves, his Only experience is 3 successive relegations, no cup success, and a history of conceding loads of goals and hardly scoring.
Would you want him as manager? Would it change your mind if he was black?
NO hence its crap
The binman chronicles
Player Valuation: £80m
Positive discrimination. So someone may get on a 10 man shortlist who hasn't got the credentials or CV that knocks another who could actually had a good chance to go for a job.
The managers in question are probably aiming too high and that is why we aren't seeing them get employment. Ryan Giggs has the same issue thinking he should walk into a PL club instead of working his way up by showing he can do a job.
The managers in question are probably aiming too high and that is why we aren't seeing them get employment. Ryan Giggs has the same issue thinking he should walk into a PL club instead of working his way up by showing he can do a job.
The rule says they have to consider them, not hire them.
Mate, what do those 4 black managers' success have to do with whether or not a black man receives an equal opportunity to become a football manager as a white man does in this country?
I've rewritten this a couple of times to make sure I don't trip on my words but, are you attempting to say that because only one of four black managers is successful in your opinion that the current status quo of having 4 black managers out of around 200 teams is a fair representation? Do you think that potential future black managers are having the perceived failures of men they share a skin colour with held against them? Because that looks like the argument you're making when you say "Well only one out of four is successful", it almost looks like a generalization put upon all black managers, as if you assume they will all only be as successful as the four you have listed.
I don't understand what the point was of holding them up as if those 4 men represent any and all black coaches' abilities.
You're absolutely right that the colour of someone's skin has nothing to do with a person's ability to do a job, but there's plenty of data out there suggesting it can have a lot to do with how successful that person's job application is.
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