The BU were not around when the AGM'S got banned.
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Elstone refusing to allow shareholders who are also Blue Union members into meetings
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The BU were not around when the AGM'S got banned.
You do realise the club are using the BU situation as an excuse to stop ANYONE ever asking questions of the club again don't you?
For example, if I wanted to question the club and brought media attention to what I was doing, the club would say I was part of the Blue Union and say I'd burned my bridges with the recorded interview - wouldn't matter that I wasn't a BU member, as there's no way I could possibly prove otherwise.
So what's the conspiracy then lads? Bill Kenwright and Co are secretly trying to run Everton Football Club into the ground? I don't buy it.
Duncan Disordely
Player Valuation: £35m
Quite a lot of the answers to the survey are pointing to that kind of feeling.
BoysInBlue
Player Valuation: £50m
I feel we're getting off track from the original point. The person in question is a shareholder. He has every right to attend a shareholders forum. Or is the club now operating a 'we only talk to selective shareholders' policy? Why won't they talk to specific people? Wouldn't it be better to settle differences face to face, rather than letting things linger amongst acrimony?
The club should be doing all they can to mend divides, instead they seem intent on digging their heels in. Perhaps fans wouldn't be so militant if they were more open, less defensive and willing to talk.
And people can go on all they like about the alleged taped recording... I think most Evertonians should be more bothered about what Kenwright actually said, rather than how we all found out about it.
It's not a conspiracy, and its not a secret, they are running it into the ground.
What's the conspiracy about the board? Are you saying that they are secretly trying to ruin the club?
BoysInBlue
Player Valuation: £50m
How is bonafide facts, that the club release themselves in their own company accounts, a 'conspiracy' (your word)?
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BoysInBlue
Player Valuation: £50m
I never used the word conspiracy (other than quoting you) once. You're the only one throwing around the word 'conspiracy'. You're making up stuff and saying I said it. This is getting really silly.
My points are pretty unambiguous and straight forward.
So you think they are purposely trying to end Everton Football Club?
BoysInBlue
Player Valuation: £50m
No, I have never said that either.
They are running the club very badly, because the debt has increased, assets have been sold off, and revenue streams are virtually non-existent.
The debt has risen because we've tried to maintain. I.e wage increases etc. Our training facilities are one of the best in the PL, so not sure if you meant the sale of Bellefield? and in terms of revenue streams we really aren't Barcelona, Man Utd, Real Madrid. To outsiders we're not an attractive football team support. It's just facts here.
The only way we can become more profitable is to become more attractive on the pitch. The stadium makes us look terrible compared to others. It's turning up to a meeting in a washed out suit. It just doesn't look good.
The only way we can become more profitable is to become more attractive on the pitch. The stadium makes us look terrible compared to others. It's turning up to a meeting in a washed out suit. It just doesn't look good.
People say £125m for our club is fair because we're in the PL, yadda yadda. But comparably:
Newcastle - £135m
Chelsea - £140m
Man City - £140m
All of the above have stadiums far superior to Goodison in terms of hospitality, capacity, or both.
Newcastle - £135m
Chelsea - £140m
Man City - £140m
All of the above have stadiums far superior to Goodison in terms of hospitality, capacity, or both.
BoysInBlue
Player Valuation: £50m
The debt has risen because no members of the board have invested a penny of their own money into the club, beyond the original purchase of their own shares. The debt has also risen because the club panicked and took a very short term approach by taking out a 25 year loan for £30m with exorbitant interest rates, meaning we will have paid back £68m when all is said and done. The training ground is impressive, but unlike Bellefield, we do not own it. We once did, but we sold Finch Farm for £2m. It is now worth £16.5m. We now pay £1.25m a year for the privilege of training there.
In dismissing our ability to attract high revenue streams, using such major clubs in world football in comparison is ludicrous and totally unfair. Using fairer comparisons, our revenue streams are less than the likes of Aston Villa, West Ham and Stoke City. We are an 'unattractive club' (or are we, a top 7 club for most of the past decade?) because of the lack of investment into the club, coupled with bad short-term thinking deals, such as the merchandising deals with Kitbag and hospitality deals with Sodexo, which offer up short term positives in no increased losses, but long term problems in no growth, ever. So as costs go up, revenue streams don't, as the fixed amount as per contract goes to Kitbag and Sodexo.
We become more attractive on the pitch by investment into the club by the aforementioned board. The means, buying players during a January transfer window, and not selling players to finance signings. The stadium issue will only ever be solved when the ownership of the club changes, as the current board have an unwillingness/inability to do anything about it, other than hope Liverpool change their mind over groundsharing (which they won't).
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tsubaki
Player Valuation: £90m
I agree with your points about Kitbag and Sodexo, but the above is nonsense.
Everton will be attractive to investors - genuine investors - when we start to demonstrate that we can make money.
Selling players at a profit - be it Fellaini, Baines, Rodwell, Lescott, Arteta, Rooney or anyone else - is the only way that this board has ever suggested that it might be able to make money. If they were considerably more competent than they are, they would also have demonstrated that they can make money via ground expansion, increased commercial revenue and various other revenue streams - but they havent. The club need to learn to do all of that, then we might start to improve.
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