ECHO Comment: "Fears of Witch-hunt Against Liverpool FC"

[Steve0]

Ah your go to line when you’re wrong. I could ask you the same question. We’re all a bit bitter but you’d rather make yourself look like a total idiot than concede that it looks like we signed a bit of a dud for more money than a so called (in your words) Vauxhall conference player. All because he plays in red. If he played for any other club in the league I’m certain your opinion would change. There’s supporting your team and then there’s being completely blinkered for reasons only you know why.

It would be nice if we could move away from the very Moyesian us against them vibe which has defined our club and fanbase for far too long now. Part of that is the ability to be objective about a club we should have been able to catch up with this summer instead of going backwards and further away from.

Ok...if you were a kopite pretending to be a blue, would you say that was weird or not?

 

[Jacob]

Ah your go to line when you’re wrong. I could ask you the same question. We’re all a bit bitter but you’d rather make yourself look like a total idiot than concede that it looks like we signed a bit of a dud for more money than a so called (in your words) Vauxhall conference player. All because he plays in red. If he played for any other club in the league I’m certain your opinion would change. There’s supporting your team and then there’s being completely blinkered for reasons only you know why.

It would be nice if we could move away from the very Moyesian us against them vibe which has defined our club and fanbase for far too long now. Part of that is the ability to be objective about a club we should have been able to catch up with this summer instead of going backwards and further away from.

We hardly adopted a Millwall-esque siege mentality - your "us against them" theory - under Moyes though, if that's what you mean. Its also too simplistic to generalise and assert that "we're all a bit bitter" when we're not. Theres a fair share of Evertonians who aren't that interested in the RS and don't watch them on Sky etc because basically they cant be arsed to so that doesn't translate as being unable to recognise and express that some of their players are good. Being "objective" is a two way thing surely, and it has to be expected that some Evertonians will always be reticent about eulogising over anything to do with them given that the RS go out of their way to be subjective about us and belittle us as a club from ex manager to supporters. Blinkers dont come into it.

 

[Prevenger17]

https://www.grandoldteam.com/forum/search/19661230/

After looking at the list of SteveO posts on his profile page, i’m convinced he’s a WUM, a very large percentage of his posts are on this thread too and the rest of his ‘opinions’ seem to scream ‘wind up’ to me. Constantly says the opposite to what we all know and see to get a rise. I urge people to have a look and tell me differently.

Just stop pls

 

[Deckard2049]

We hardly adopted a Millwall-esque siege mentality - your "us against them" theory - under Moyes though, if that's what you mean. Its also too simplistic to generalise and assert that "we're all a bit bitter" when we're not. Theres a fair share of Evertonians who aren't that interested in the RS and don't watch them on Sky etc because basically they cant be arsed to so that doesn't translate as being unable to recognise and express that some of their players are good. Being "objective" is a two way thing surely, and it has to be expected that some Evertonians will always be reticent about eulogising over anything to do with them given that the RS go out of their way to be subjective about us and belittle us as a club from ex manager to supporters. Blinkers dont come into it.

I definitely didn’t mean to suggest as you say that “we’re all a bit bitter”, at least not in a negative way - every clubs fans are bitter to an extent, us no more than any others so apologies if it came across that way. Hell I’m bitter towards Leicester more than anyone else in recent years as there’s no reason that shouldn’t have been us capitalising that season.

In this case however we’re not talking about general fans, I’m talking about a specific section of our fanbase. There’s a huge difference between “eulogising” and simply recognising a good football player. Yet if you don’t agree that said player is garbage you get accused of being a kopite- how is that productive or sensible? The fact is that if some blues don’t watch anything RS related that’s perfectly understandable and absolutely fine. But for the blues who come in here and pass comment and give their opinion as if it’s gospel then in just like any other thread on this forum they should be prepared for differing opinions.

That’s where my comment surrounding this “us against them vibe” stems from. I think some people imagine that they’ll burst into flames if they even acknowledge a decent player in red, or that their soul will be tarnished forever (it might be but who knows). The same people (and if you’re on Twitter, then you can’t deny that their were many of them) where the ones who in the summer where proclaiming that “kopite heads were falling off” as we went about our summer spending- all before we’d even kicked a ball people were desperate to prove a point to our neighbours and in doing so where defining our business in relation to how another club’s fans were reacting.

Some of my RS friends are actually a lot sounder than RS family members I have who are really enjoying sticking the boot in at the moment. What do I do? I laugh it off and I ignore them. It doesn’t mean that I can’t be objective and honest in my assessment of purely footballing matters. Long term for our club more objectivity wouldn’t be a bad thing.

 

[Minimeister]

Amazing how a win against West Ham can get them all posting again.

 

[macdog]

Amazing how a win against West Ham can get them all posting again.

That's the spirit. This thread is for jeering at the RS. I just plowed through pages and pages on Siggy. Remember who we're talking about and show no quarter.

 

[goodisonopheliac]

Oh look, Everton are doing a nice thing for charity, to raise money for homeless people in Liverpool, and what do kopites say? 'Hurr hurr 1995.' Classy, guys, let's hope none of you ever get homeless, eh? Are Liverpool going to do an Analfield Sleepout or are they too busy advertising Nivea?

 

[Fedlingen]

I'm literally sat next to a bloke in the train, who's watching their final comeback at full volume on his phone. Not even wearing headphones.

 

[Jacob]

I'm literally sat next to a bloke in the train, who's watching their final comeback at full volume on his phone. Not even wearing headphones.

Tell the Guard....that situation covers a multitude of anti-social issues.

 

[dead_soft]

Oh look, Everton are doing a nice thing for charity, to raise money for homeless people in Liverpool, and what do kopites say? 'Hurr hurr 1995.' Classy, guys, let's hope none of you ever get homeless, eh? Are Liverpool going to do an Analfield Sleepout or are they too busy advertising Nivea?

What’s this charity thing that definitely all Liverpool fans are mocking?

 

[wilfjacko]

Tell the Guard....that situation covers a multitude of anti-social issues.

Or just lay into the selfish freak.

 

[brigadier]

I'm literally sat next to a bloke in the train, who's watching their final comeback at full volume on his phone. Not even wearing headphones.

get the demba ba video out and watch the smiles of the passers by.

 

[goodisonopheliac]

What’s this charity thing that definitely all Liverpool fans are mocking?

The Goodison Sleepout. You know the thing where a load of people, including Unsworth and the U23s, sleep in Goodison Park overnight to raise money for EITC?

 

[Jacob]

I definitely didn’t mean to suggest as you say that “we’re all a bit bitter”, at least not in a negative way - every clubs fans are bitter to an extent, us no more than any others so apologies if it came across that way. Hell I’m bitter towards Leicester more than anyone else in recent years as there’s no reason that shouldn’t have been us capitalising that season.

In this case however we’re not talking about general fans, I’m talking about a specific section of our fanbase. There’s a huge difference between “eulogising” and simply recognising a good football player. Yet if you don’t agree that said player is garbage you get accused of being a kopite- how is that productive or sensible? The fact is that if some blues don’t watch anything RS related that’s perfectly understandable and absolutely fine. But for the blues who come in here and pass comment and give their opinion as if it’s gospel then in just like any other thread on this forum they should be prepared for differing opinions.

That’s where my comment surrounding this “us against them vibe” stems from. I think some people imagine that they’ll burst into flames if they even acknowledge a decent player in red, or that their soul will be tarnished forever (it might be but who knows). The same people (and if you’re on Twitter, then you can’t deny that their were many of them) where the ones who in the summer where proclaiming that “kopite heads were falling off” as we went about our summer spending- all before we’d even kicked a ball people were desperate to prove a point to our neighbours and in doing so where defining our business in relation to how another club’s fans were reacting.

Some of my RS friends are actually a lot sounder than RS family members I have who are really enjoying sticking the boot in at the moment. What do I do? I laugh it off and I ignore them. It doesn’t mean that I can’t be objective and honest in my assessment of purely footballing matters. Long term for our club more objectivity wouldn’t be a bad thing.

This board has disagreements/differences of opinion over players all the time without the kneejerk 'Kopite alert' you somewhat exaggerate. Opinions are merely that....opinions. Ironically, Ive had a look over at their online thinktank and SteveO is the whipping boy with some of their cognoscenti, then again some there are suggesting hes an RS troll on a wind-up. Opinions hey.
The Evertonians were only saddled with this "bitter" label by Kopites post Heysel because they reacted badly but understandably to the European ban. Ive never heard in all my years of being a football supporter (rather than 'just' an Evertonian) any other football teams regarded by their rivals as "bitter" apart from the sectarianism prevalent north of the border. Theres a succinct difference between acknowledging, as I would, that the likes of Keegan, Dalglish, Rush, Souness etc were really great players, than someone going into overdrive and give a powerpoint presentation on how good they are. That's why some people on here come to the conclusion sometimes that some defensive and laboured reply posts suspiciously betray something else. Sometimes and some, not always and all. Opinions hey.

 

[summerisle]

That's the spirit. This thread is for jeering at the RS. I just plowed through pages and pages on Siggy. Remember who we're talking about and show no quarter.

Agree totally.