dandydan
Player Valuation: £40m
Reminds me of some pub league keepers who develop a limp as they pull the ball out of their net.
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That's the thing, for some reason they still see themselves as a footballing world power, when in all reality they are on par with the teams the lad in his piece compares us to, Stoke, Southampton, West Ham etc.
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
They make my day ha ha
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Their giddiness and delusion over this investment is hilarious but understandable. They've essentially gone from shopping in Aldi to shopping in ASDA. Moshiri on his own isn't going to pump a great deal of money into the club. He's been described as a glorified accountant and that has a ring of truth to it but that's not necessarily a bad thing. Everton need someone like him with some nous with money to get them on their feet and to head in the right direction. It won't be easy - they are a small club with a small fanbase with limited commercial appeal and a stadium that is dilapidated and barely fit for purpose. They are the facts, that is not me speaking to belittle them or to claim our superiority. They were great in the 80's and once were a big club but times have changed and football has changed and they've regressed on and off the pitch.
They have delusions of grandeur about what this investment actually means. Moshiri is worth a touch over a billion. In this current climate that's pretty small fry though and they don't understand it. Any money that they spend this summer and beyond will probably not come from him. The TV money and any other commercial deals they get will fund their transfers, not Moshiri. There's always a possibility that he participates in some good PR work and directly funds a transfer early on or perhaps puts a couple of million extra in to fund one that won't get done otherwise. Yet the idea that a man worth just over £1bn is going to put tens of millions into buying new players is naive. He's a businessman, he's still worth a hell of a lot of money and he hasn't achieved that by throwing that money on things that don't have a high chance of working out.
He's investing at the right time, I'll give him that. In 5 years time providing they stay in the league and continue to float around mid-table or slightly better then he'll be able to sell for a nice profit. He won't have to do much as I said, he'll just balance the books, use the TV money to spend on players and get a couple of better sponsors. Everton fans don't realise that we aren't in the late 90's anymore. They will have to spend decent money to stay still. £20 million quid today is spent on a defensive midfielder... by Stoke. I don't know what they are expecting to happen. Their best signings this summer will be those who stay, not who comes in. Sure, they'll likely spend big for them but others teams will do the same and those other teams are already in a much better position than them (West Ham, Southampton, Stoke, Leicester, Spurs).
Usmanov is a pipe dream. He's just increased his stake in Arsenal. Why would he gamble on having to invest hundreds of millions in Everton due to a new stadium and players when he has a sure cash cow with Arsenal? Power, apparently. He wants glory. Well, maybe. But the idea that he's likely to get glory by investing in a club that's the second biggest in it's own small city rather than a club with a 60,000 seater stadium in the heart of one of the world's biggest cities is insane. If he was going to do it he would have done it. He has more money than he knows what to do with, there wouldn't need to be any staged investment or planning. He wouldn't need Moshiri to get the ball rolling. If Usmanov wanted Everton then Kenwright would have sold to him faster than you could say "Where's the Arteta money?"
So, on the whole, it's probably good news for them. However they won't really move forwards, they'll likely stay where they are. And they should be grateful of that because they've gone backwards for as long as I can remember.
Ahhhh. There there. Let nanny kiss it better.
Ha Ha Ha. FFS, they just cant handle it.
*Waves at RAWK with a fistful of cash and laughs*
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They make my day ha ha
Re: Farvel Steiner. Incestious Topic. Caution may contain n̶u̶t̶s Everton.
« Reply #19040 on: Today at 03:51:01 PM »
Their giddiness and delusion over this investment is hilarious but understandable. They've essentially gone from shopping in Aldi to shopping in ASDA. Moshiri on his own isn't going to pump a great deal of money into the club. He's been described as a glorified accountant and that has a ring of truth to it but that's not necessarily a bad thing. Everton need someone like him with some nous with money to get them on their feet and to head in the right direction. It won't be easy - they are a small club with a small fanbase with limited commercial appeal and a stadium that is dilapidated and barely fit for purpose. They are the facts, that is not me speaking to belittle them or to claim our superiority. They were great in the 80's and once were a big club but times have changed and football has changed and they've regressed on and off the pitch.
They have delusions of grandeur about what this investment actually means. Moshiri is worth a touch over a billion. In this current climate that's pretty small fry though and they don't understand it. Any money that they spend this summer and beyond will probably not come from him. The TV money and any other commercial deals they get will fund their transfers, not Moshiri. There's always a possibility that he participates in some good PR work and directly funds a transfer early on or perhaps puts a couple of million extra in to fund one that won't get done otherwise. Yet the idea that a man worth just over £1bn is going to put tens of millions into buying new players is naive. He's a businessman, he's still worth a hell of a lot of money and he hasn't achieved that by throwing that money on things that don't have a high chance of working out.
He's investing at the right time, I'll give him that. In 5 years time providing they stay in the league and continue to float around mid-table or slightly better then he'll be able to sell for a nice profit. He won't have to do much as I said, he'll just balance the books, use the TV money to spend on players and get a couple of better sponsors. Everton fans don't realise that we aren't in the late 90's anymore. They will have to spend decent money to stay still. £20 million quid today is spent on a defensive midfielder... by Stoke. I don't know what they are expecting to happen. Their best signings this summer will be those who stay, not who comes in. Sure, they'll likely spend big for them but others teams will do the same and those other teams are already in a much better position than them (West Ham, Southampton, Stoke, Leicester, Spurs).
Usmanov is a pipe dream. He's just increased his stake in Arsenal. Why would he gamble on having to invest hundreds of millions in Everton due to a new stadium and players when he has a sure cash cow with Arsenal? Power, apparently. He wants glory. Well, maybe. But the idea that he's likely to get glory by investing in a club that's the second biggest in it's own small city rather than a club with a 60,000 seater stadium in the heart of one of the world's biggest cities is insane. If he was going to do it he would have done it. He has more money than he knows what to do with, there wouldn't need to be any staged investment or planning. He wouldn't need Moshiri to get the ball rolling. If Usmanov wanted Everton then Kenwright would have sold to him faster than you could say "Where's the Arteta money?"
So, on the whole, it's probably good news for them. However they won't really move forwards, they'll likely stay where they are. And they should be grateful of that because they've gone backwards for as long as I can remember.
Sorry people of this fine establishment but I agree with the kopite. I think the best the owner can do is put some of his own fortune into a new stadium. Moshiri will do well to be a key part of pushing ahead with a new stadium before selling for a profit, don't forget the man is worth just over one billion pounds and will not want to pump a shed load of money into a club. Maybe he will bring us better/bigger sponsorship if were lucky. We must be careful not to throw away the last decade of hard work, signing yarmolenko and keeping Romelu will be a good start, signing top players will not happen until the ground is given a green light and then the new commercial deals coming of the back of it come into fruition. I hope we do things properly even if it takes longer than some of us are hoping for.
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davek
Player Valuation: £150m
Some of it might be right, but the motive in writing it wasn't to make good sense - it's just a big soft lad stamping his feet and throwing a tantrum.
Whether we make a massive step is debateable, but the possibility of it is absolutely killing those entitled wallopers and I'm loving every uncomfortable minute for them.
BlueShark
Player Valuation: £20m
@davek nails it. It's not that we're actually taking for granted that we'll be sitting on piles of cash next season, it's their insecurity and bitterness that in the absence of any footballing success themselves they have to try and big themselves up by having a pop at us
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You do realise than im a massive cynic - a glass half empty guy ?
Maybe its being used to being a Evertonian, something bright will always be swallowed by darkness (literally the dark side - LFC)
If Moshiri does turn out to be a messiah and takes us to the top four, buys us Ronaldo and Ibrahimovic, builds us a new stadium, freezes ticket prices even once we move, Liverpool will inevitably sell up to a sheikh, buy messi and neymar, build a 90,000 seater and win 10 league titles back to back. Its the norm for me mate lollollol
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
I am meself mate.
I'm convinced this Moshiri feller is going to walk under a bus tomorrow. Just our luck.
Matty_j1878
Yer ma's favorite ITK. Mmmmmm Juicy.
Selling club needed sales to boast a profit.
peteblue
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Toffeelover
Player Valuation: £80m
Basically all that he has said could also apply to LFC, they to could be said to have delusions of grandeur. Okay there are expanding Anfield but to do so they "starved" out a number of ordinary folk to get the land, now that never gets mentioned.
Add to that FSG have not exactly been chucking the cash around and what funds were available were wasted by Brenda on average rubbish which there new manager is now aware of.
So I wonder exactly what was his motive for doing that article, Is it that they do not welcome this development by their neighbour and are worried if matters may turn out to their detriment. Perhaps the apple cart is about to be upset after all they have no success to point to for several years.
Folk living in glass houses should not throw stones.
Hasn't one of their dodgy keepers just been given a new 5 year contract?
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
Here's the three motives that underpin that Kopite's viewpoint:
- They've just been shown up at Wembley for the pony outfit they are
- Their new Messiah's impact is not even as impressive as Hodgson's short tenure in charge
- They're bricking it that we're going to flex our muscle's and sort them out again
Fear and resentment masquerading as analysis.
Take a good luck in that rear view mirror Kopites, that Ferrari accelerating toward your Astra is us.
Muhahahahahahahah.
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