ECHO Comment: "Fears of Witch-hunt Against Liverpool FC" part 3

[toffee82]

It's interesting that Darmanin has provided updates regarding fake tickets (two legitimates responsible for 1500 fakes, how they estimated the numbers based on transport data and that there was evidence of large numbers leaving during the game).

This was a couple of hours ago now but nothing on BBC or Sky.

 

[anton66]

What I've learned from this mess is that come Derby day at Bramley Moore, we're going to have to beef up our security:

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Just seen these getting erected to keep them out.

For the original ko time Madrid’s end was preety much full . Liverpools didn’t look more than 2/3 full IMO . Could be wrong though

I would imagine a lot who had bunked in/ fake tickets maybe hung around the concourse until kick off to avoid a confrontation with fans who had genuine tickets.

 

[Wat Tyler]

Mane gets player of the year nomination over Son

 

[WilliamPerry]

Just seen these getting erected to keep them out.


I would imagine a lot who had bunked in/ fake tickets maybe hung around the concourse until kick off to avoid a confrontation with fans who had genuine tickets.

That’s possible but youve still got to take into consideration 2700 real tickets were rejected. And the Liverpool end was still at least a couple of thousand minimum over capacity

 

[aazak]

Mane gets player of the year nomination over Son

Son's not that type of player.

 

[marmor]

Maybe its just me, but I find this deflection just odd.

Fake tickets? Yes.

Kopite end overcrowded? Yes.

Genuine kopites denied entry cos of ^^^^ that? Yes.

But some French bloke gets clog from some on here.

The blame was, 100%, fake kopite tickets/no tickets, being in the stadium. Everything else is moonshine.

It really is this simple.

 

[marmor]

They claim the authorities have lied though and, well that is 100% the case too.

So just because we hate them doesn't mean that it's not on the authorities too.

it was dreadfully policed and organised and too many people turned up, clearly

I agree with you that maybe the French should have waited for the data they are now drip feeding through before coming out all guns blazing. We need the facts.
I also agree that the entry to the stadium does seem a little cramped for 30-40k people. Maybe it would have been fine for 20k. Not sure.

But the fact is too many RS turned up for the game trying to blag their way in. By not recognising or even acknowledging this means these RS scumbags spoiling it for everyone are also lying. Lfc are lying. MPs in the uk are lying. The uk media are lying.

Yet you’re choosing to be pushing the blame mostly to the French who were put in a situation they probably didn’t want to deal with.

Sacre bleu!

 

[4 Eyes Better Than 2]

They claim the authorities have lied though and, well that is 100% the case too.

So just because we hate them doesn't mean that it's not on the authorities too.

it was dreadfully policed and organised and too many people turned up, clearly

You are now 100 pages + and many hours spent researching, replying to this thread and generally ignoring facts and evidence in defending their actions.

Let’s change the ‘ we ‘ yes ?

 

[marmor]

And prior to that it was LFC that demanded all their tickets to be paper.

That doesn’t sit right either now this nugget has come out. Seems like they could be complicit in the fakes being produced.

If one barcode has been used over 700 times, then lfc would know who this was sold to and they should be dealt with.

 

[marmor]

Straight after the madness, Klopp comes out with this.

Klopp tells Liverpool fans to 'book the hotel' for next season's Champions League final in Istanbul​

By Amitai Winehouse
May 29, 2022Updated 6:55 PM GMT+1

Blatant criminal incitement.

After what’s happened, this is his capitol building moment. He should go to jail if anything happens over there.

I’m almost wanting them to get there now.

 

[spectateur]

You could tell the difference in the background in Madrid end and Liverpools . That’s with Liverpool having all the bunkers and fakes on top of the real allocation. I mute the pundits on a Liverpool game and listen to podcasts instead.

I was watching on French TV (TF1 channel).
During the delay of the start they were comparing the Lpl and Mrd ends.
In one end the fans were seated, spaced, steps and gangways clearly visable.
In conrast the red area was packed , stairs and gangways full. A heaving mass.

No wonder they stopped anymore getting in. The red area was full.

 

[magicjuan]

If that was the case Roydo, why was the Liverpool end empty 10 mins before the sceduled kick-off time?

And oversubscribed10 minutes after?

 

[magicjuan]

Obviously the murderer.

But the point of proper organisation is to weed these divs out before they can cause damage. And that's what UEFA and the authorities got so badly wrong. Then they lied about it and that's what angers me.

If they'd done their job correctly, and all this had still happened, I'd be happy to blame Liverpool entirely mate.

I think this is where a lot of confusion lies with your posts. Nobody is blaming them entirely, the biggest issue is the narrative put out by them and the British media doesn't recognise any culpability by any Libpewl supporters. Any.
Your posts seem to support that narrative, and if not, ought to.

 

[tsubaki]

He initially said 30-40k fans turned up without tickets/fake tickets (on Monday). He now seems to be clarifying that it was 30-40k total (which is obviously more realistic).

If this was our government - who lie for a living - you'd be all over them no matter what club it was. This mob deserve the same treatment.

the two statements are not in conflict though - 30/40k without tickets / fake tickets is 30-40k total

 

[NathDogg]

I agree with you that maybe the French should have waited for the data they are now drip feeding through before coming out all guns blazing. We need the facts.
I also agree that the entry to the stadium does seem a little cramped for 30-40k people. Maybe it would have been fine for 20k. Not sure.

But the fact is too many RS turned up for the game trying to blag their way in. By not recognising or even acknowledging this means these RS scumbags spoiling it for everyone are also lying. Lfc are lying. MPs in the uk are lying. The uk media are lying.

Yet you’re choosing to be pushing the blame mostly to the French who were put in a situation they probably didn’t want to deal with.

Sacre bleu!

I’m quite enjoying the French drip feed now tbh, the kopites have done what they always do, weaponised hillsborough yet again and completely tried to categorically state that there were no fake tickets or ticketless fans at the stadium aiding and abetting the problems that the French police faced, which is clearly nonsense, and I hope the drip feed debunks these untruths as we go forward.

Are the French and uefa blameless for this - clearly not.

Are Liverpool fc, their idiotic manager telling the idiots to travel to France and go without tickets, the blaggers and the ticketless scumbags who have got innocent rs fans caught up with the police response blameless - also clearly not, but that’s not the narrative that is being peddled by lfc, the British rs infested media and local rs mps which is despicable.

I said this after they torched the liver buildings “celebrating” and I’ll say it again now - unless their club and it’s fans accept that there is a very real problem with this type of lawless criminal behaviour from within their fanbase, then things will never change, and sadly people are going to get hurt or even die again in the future- it’s that simple.