ECHO Comment: "Fears of Witch-hunt Against Liverpool FC" part 3

[Amw79]

Because UEFA and the French authorities' total disregard for any organisation at all has helped lead to this.

It's been well documented that there were locals attempting to bunk in.

I know it's also been documented that there were Liverpool fans bunking in too.

But how they organised the entrance is disgraceful. How the police went into attack mode is disgraceful. Let's not get tribal because it's that lot alright.

Now, Liverpool as a club need to shoulder some responsibility. This rhetoric they have, this hype - it helps build up and lead to chaos. That needs to stop.

However, UEFA blaming them for the other night is disgraceful - and Madrid fans were caught up in it too. And the French police and government are sickening and honestly put our lot in a good light tbh. Plenty of French ministers have now come out and said the same thing, too.

20,000 people down one road, cut in half by police vans, under a flyover, in a notoriously rough area of a sprawling city, with 6-8 stewards checking tickets before they got to the turnstiles, and no other checkpoints, with said stewards then leaving their post and letting everyone through to the turnstiles... This is on UEFA and the French.

There’s defo questions UEFA need to answer, particularly around why they funnelled so many fans into a small, narrow number of turnstiles creating a bottleneck.

But the bits above in bold which the club, the fans, the media are refusing to discuss or accept are why it’s getting tribal. The narrative is that every single Liverpool fan behaved impeccably, and they’re all entirely blameless.

Not surprising that people are pushing back against that narrative, given that we could have predicted trouble when 30,000 are going over without a ticket, and there’s people on social media boasting about blag tickets.

 

[BlueToff]

Seriously can you not understand?
They could have left UEFA, therefore they would not be involved in UEFA competitions, therefore they would not be walking through a UEFA created five yard gap. ¿Me comprendes?

It's very much irrelevant. Real Madrid have still not 'left' the Super League - they went and won the Champions League as we're all thrilled about.

 

[Shevin Keedy]

Why were the police fine in Madrid & Istanbul, but a disgrace in Athens, Kyiv, and Paris?

Heysel too.

 

[MikeH72]

I don’t dispute that like I’ve said uefa and the French played their part

but then so did this type of red

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Apparently that’s fine though

What mind blowing stupidity that is posting that on Twitter.

 

[BlueToff]

I don't think anyone is saying the organization wasn't terrible by UEFA.

Like already pointed out look how many events have been held there and without problems.
Its not about blue tinted specs mate its about it always being them involved! There is one common denominator when stuff like this happens! Yes Liverpool fans are never far away.

I don't suggest for one minute the police weren't out of order as I've seen the vids of kids getting pepper sprayed and its shocking but id guess there was a reason they were pepper spraying Liverpool fans and not Real Madrid fans.

Do they not learn their lesson from past events? After what happened all them years ago any Liverpool fan selling or buying blag tickets should be absolutely ashamed of themselves and I'm sure there was many that did.

Liverpool and Real both had the same ticket allocation and one set of fans got in on time with very little issues the other set of fans never, why?

100% those people have to shoulder the blame.

But again, comes down to the authorities to stop those people - which there always are at mass events and when this rabble are involved, possibly more than others - being able to cause chaos.

 

[BlueToff]

I don’t dispute that like I’ve said uefa and the French played their part

but then so did this type of red

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Apparently that’s fine though

I fully agree

 

[WilliamPerry]

Why were the police fine in Madrid & Istanbul, but a disgrace in Athens, Kyiv, and Paris?

Liverpool have had bother in Brussels , Athens , Basle , Madrid (seen some issues the night before and the game ) and Paris .

leopards don‘t change their spots

 

[brieverton]

Their fans do have the biggest sense of entitlement in football, the "this means more" thing etc, and also the biggest sense of victimhood.

This makes for a very dangerous cocktail once anything kicks off.

Given last summers events at the final of Euro 2020, amongst other factors, it is not entirely surprising that the French authorities took a hard line.

I think that there is a large cohort of their fans that probably thought they were untouchable, given the extent to which they have weaponised that sense of victimhood.

 

[Shevin Keedy]

It's very much irrelevant. Real Madrid have still not 'left' the Super League - they went and won the Champions League as we're all thrilled about.

It is relevant. Liverpool fans wanted to stay with UEFA.

 

[bluelife]

Why do news sites keep referring to the LFC matchday police as the whole of Merseyside Police?

 

[WilliamPerry]

What mind blowing stupidity that is posting that on Twitter.

They post it because kopites love all that type of carry on . They it until the sh1t hits the fan and they have to blame everyone else and not themselves.

if you look at who the fake ticket seller copies in his tweet all the Liverpool twitter ticket accounts know this stuff goes on

 

[WilliamPerry]

Why do news sites keep referring to the LFC matchday police as the whole of Merseyside Police?

They are mostly kopites on the football intelligence unit

 

[JLW]

100% those people have to shoulder the blame.

But again, comes down to the authorities to stop those people - which there always are at mass events and when this rabble are involved, possibly more than others - being able to cause chaos.

That's what gets peoples backs up mate i haven't seen one red calling out a fellow red for bunking in or purchasing a blag ticket.

They are another disaster waiting to happen and will not take an ounce of responsibility for it.

 

[Bluestar]

 

[WilliamPerry]

Feyenoord
roma
rangers
Frankfurt

all very well supported teams played in finals recently in smaller grounds with much worse ticket allocations (tirana 20k capacity ffs)

yet no talk of fakes or bunking in en masse