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ECHO Comment: "Fears of Witch-hunt Against Liverpool FC" part 3


davek said:
Tuchel: he's a contentious character. I doubt FSG would have entertained him.
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No I agree, just thinking of the sort of manager who will probably do well there. He will do well at Chelsea, I was reading recently it's often the year after a big spend teams tend to do well, when the players have been brought together. Werner and Kavertz are not rubbish, they are just taking a year to acclimatise and were playing under an inexperienced manager who got the gig because of who he was.

Back to FSG though, after Klopp has clearly rocked the boat in the summer, rocked the boat again in the January, then thrown them under the bus leaking articles to the press about them and also slagging them in press conferences and absolving himself in responsibility, they will want a yes man. I've worked with an American firm before, and it's a different culture and going rogue in such a way will not be responded to well. They believe their formula maximises potential, and will probably feel allowing a manager to veer from it is when it's gone wrong. Having spoken to someone a while back who has a bit of insight, that is what their conclusion was with Rodgers too. He was fine until he got himself too much leeway. Whether you think it's right or wrong, it's a conclusion that will only be re-enforced by whats happened with Klopp.

You factor in al the leeking they are doing about no money, and it's clear a period of fiscal austerity is coming to balance the overspend from Klopp. Loyalty is going to be the key thing for them come the summer, and ultimately loyalty will really only come from a much smaller name. I think there's a wider narrative here too, they are really struggling financially, especially with Biden now coming in and potentially hoiking taxes so there is a wider self preservation here. But they will know they need someone in as manager to help pacify the fans (they will not want to risk a repeat of H & G essentially losing all their money for nothing).

The curveball as you say is the fans. These are not the red sox who are happy to accept mediocrity for a few years having won a world series. They want to win the league every season, and the clamour for Gerrard is going to be enormous. He's essetnially quite a manipulative character who will know how to channel that frustration with a degree of subtlelty that is far beyond Klopp and the like. He knows all the dog whistles. Didn't he have a pop at Steve Clark for being a Catholic when he was at Kilmarnock? The guy knows his audience and how to pander to them very well.
 

PITA said:
I believe that she died a few weeks back but the story broke this week, allegedly, to deflect from his disgraceful treatment of a reporter last week. If he was thinking what you suggest then why did he bang on about VAR like a cryarse?
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Absolutely no idea mate, maybe his mum did die a few weeks back. I was just passing on my condolences to him on a Internet forum. Liverpool manager or not he’s still a fella that’s recently lost his mum
 
Dalglish walked after the cup 4-4, didn’t bodgers get the sack after a Goodison derby, and also Moyes following a defeat at our place as Man utd manager?
Do the right thing Das Beaut!
 

catcherintherye said:
No I agree, just thinking of the sort of manager who will probably do well there. He will do well at Chelsea, I was reading recently it's often the year after a big spend teams tend to do well, when the players have been brought together. Werner and Kavertz are not rubbish, they are just taking a year to acclimatise and were playing under an inexperienced manager who got the gig because of who he was.

Back to FSG though, after Klopp has clearly rocked the boat in the summer, rocked the boat again in the January, then thrown them under the bus leaking articles to the press about them and also slagging them in press conferences and absolving himself in responsibility, they will want a yes man. I've worked with an American firm before, and it's a different culture and going rogue in such a way will not be responded to well. They believe their formula maximises potential, and will probably feel allowing a manager to veer from it is when it's gone wrong. Having spoken to someone a while back who has a bit of insight, that is what their conclusion was with Rodgers too. He was fine until he got himself too much leeway. Whether you think it's right or wrong, it's a conclusion that will only be re-enforced by whats happened with Klopp.

You factor in al the leeking they are doing about no money, and it's clear a period of fiscal austerity is coming to balance the overspend from Klopp. Loyalty is going to be the key thing for them come the summer, and ultimately loyalty will really only come from a much smaller name. I think there's a wider narrative here too, they are really struggling financially, especially with Biden now coming in and potentially hoiking taxes so there is a wider self preservation here. But they will know they need someone in as manager to help pacify the fans (they will not want to risk a repeat of H & G essentially losing all their money for nothing).

The curveball as you say is the fans. These are not the red sox who are happy to accept mediocrity for a few years having won a world series. They want to win the league every season, and the clamour for Gerrard is going to be enormous. He's essetnially quite a manipulative character who will know how to channel that frustration with a degree of subtlelty that is far beyond Klopp and the like. He knows all the dog whistles. Didn't he have a pop at Steve Clark for being a Catholic when he was at Kilmarnock? The guy knows his audience and how to pander to them very well.
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I posted a week or so that Klopp, as a winner, has to compromise with that outlook if he wants to fit in with his bosses. FSG (either at the Red Sox or LFC) want success, but they also accept that you dont win all the time and that it's ok as long as you remain a major commercial draw for sponsorship and broadcasting revenue etc. They dont see falling away off the top and coming back gradually as an issue. That's their sports franchise mentality. So that was always likely to clash with Klopp in the end. They have real problems in that organisation that go right to its most important relationship of all: manager and owner. If he had what it takes for Liverpool, a manager like Ralf Ragnick would suit them (FSG). Someone who works as part of a corporation that the club is part of.

Not sure about Gerrard and Clarke up there like. Is that right?
 
Bullens Rd said:
My apologies mate for not being a good enough Evertonian to realise those trophies mean nothing and our relegation fights and 7th place titles are the envy of the division. Didn't realise! lol Us!
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You named by number exactly what they’ve won, me personally, being a blue, wouldn’t have a clue except to say they’ve won a few trophies in the last 30 years.
Your number crunching comment was passive aggressive, Bullens Rd!
 
jaycee said:

Ban them,burn the stadium down and declare them a terrorist organisation
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What this bonehead and his fellow sociopathic knuckle-draggers don't understand is that this sort of crap won't help Klopp. He's lost his mum. Football, Liverpool and the fans are an irrelevance to him right now because life and death are more important .
 

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