ECHO Comment: "Fears of Witch-hunt Against Liverpool FC" part 3

[Seathestars]

 

[Yarrgh]

Ban them,burn the stadium down and declare them a terrorist organisation

Steven Coogan will have to retire as he'll never be able to come up with a character as grotesque or cringeworthy as those thrown up by the red horde.

 

[Yarrgh]

Well, I doubt Everton would ever sell a red top, so the answer is no. However, I’ve always said I have no issue wearing red as I won’t allow them to stop me.

Like with the Liverbird, that shower do not own it!

I agree. I'm still waiting for a black second kit with a red sash.

 

[catcherintherye]

Tuchel: he's a contentious character. I doubt FSG would have entertained him.

No I agree, just thinking of the sort of manager who will probably do well there. He will do well at Chelsea, I was reading recently it's often the year after a big spend teams tend to do well, when the players have been brought together. Werner and Kavertz are not rubbish, they are just taking a year to acclimatise and were playing under an inexperienced manager who got the gig because of who he was.

Back to FSG though, after Klopp has clearly rocked the boat in the summer, rocked the boat again in the January, then thrown them under the bus leaking articles to the press about them and also slagging them in press conferences and absolving himself in responsibility, they will want a yes man. I've worked with an American firm before, and it's a different culture and going rogue in such a way will not be responded to well. They believe their formula maximises potential, and will probably feel allowing a manager to veer from it is when it's gone wrong. Having spoken to someone a while back who has a bit of insight, that is what their conclusion was with Rodgers too. He was fine until he got himself too much leeway. Whether you think it's right or wrong, it's a conclusion that will only be re-enforced by whats happened with Klopp.

You factor in al the leeking they are doing about no money, and it's clear a period of fiscal austerity is coming to balance the overspend from Klopp. Loyalty is going to be the key thing for them come the summer, and ultimately loyalty will really only come from a much smaller name. I think there's a wider narrative here too, they are really struggling financially, especially with Biden now coming in and potentially hoiking taxes so there is a wider self preservation here. But they will know they need someone in as manager to help pacify the fans (they will not want to risk a repeat of H & G essentially losing all their money for nothing).

The curveball as you say is the fans. These are not the red sox who are happy to accept mediocrity for a few years having won a world series. They want to win the league every season, and the clamour for Gerrard is going to be enormous. He's essetnially quite a manipulative character who will know how to channel that frustration with a degree of subtlelty that is far beyond Klopp and the like. He knows all the dog whistles. Didn't he have a pop at Steve Clark for being a Catholic when he was at Kilmarnock? The guy knows his audience and how to pander to them very well.

 

[PITA]

Just watching Leicester's second today, the attempted tackle by Allisson on Kabak was worse than Pickford's on Saint Virge, just unlucky he didn't connect as well.

If he had it would have been Pickford's fault.

 

[CrabbyPaddy]

Klopp now odds on to be the next manager sacked in the PL.

Bare in mind a couple of days ago it was around 50-60/1.

 

[Toffeeslam]

 

[bluerobert]

I believe that she died a few weeks back but the story broke this week, allegedly, to deflect from his disgraceful treatment of a reporter last week. If he was thinking what you suggest then why did he bang on about VAR like a cryarse?

Absolutely no idea mate, maybe his mum did die a few weeks back. I was just passing on my condolences to him on a Internet forum. Liverpool manager or not he’s still a fella that’s recently lost his mum

 

[Blues Harp]

Dalglish walked after the cup 4-4, didn’t bodgers get the sack after a Goodison derby, and also Moyes following a defeat at our place as Man utd manager?
Do the right thing Das Beaut!

 

[Nobby Nobbs]

Daughter just forwarded a piece say after a bust up between Roberson and Allison after the game yesterday Klopp walked out of dressing room say F@#k this and didn’t travel back with squad is it true, not sure.

 

[davek]

No I agree, just thinking of the sort of manager who will probably do well there. He will do well at Chelsea, I was reading recently it's often the year after a big spend teams tend to do well, when the players have been brought together. Werner and Kavertz are not rubbish, they are just taking a year to acclimatise and were playing under an inexperienced manager who got the gig because of who he was.

Back to FSG though, after Klopp has clearly rocked the boat in the summer, rocked the boat again in the January, then thrown them under the bus leaking articles to the press about them and also slagging them in press conferences and absolving himself in responsibility, they will want a yes man. I've worked with an American firm before, and it's a different culture and going rogue in such a way will not be responded to well. They believe their formula maximises potential, and will probably feel allowing a manager to veer from it is when it's gone wrong. Having spoken to someone a while back who has a bit of insight, that is what their conclusion was with Rodgers too. He was fine until he got himself too much leeway. Whether you think it's right or wrong, it's a conclusion that will only be re-enforced by whats happened with Klopp.

You factor in al the leeking they are doing about no money, and it's clear a period of fiscal austerity is coming to balance the overspend from Klopp. Loyalty is going to be the key thing for them come the summer, and ultimately loyalty will really only come from a much smaller name. I think there's a wider narrative here too, they are really struggling financially, especially with Biden now coming in and potentially hoiking taxes so there is a wider self preservation here. But they will know they need someone in as manager to help pacify the fans (they will not want to risk a repeat of H & G essentially losing all their money for nothing).

The curveball as you say is the fans. These are not the red sox who are happy to accept mediocrity for a few years having won a world series. They want to win the league every season, and the clamour for Gerrard is going to be enormous. He's essetnially quite a manipulative character who will know how to channel that frustration with a degree of subtlelty that is far beyond Klopp and the like. He knows all the dog whistles. Didn't he have a pop at Steve Clark for being a Catholic when he was at Kilmarnock? The guy knows his audience and how to pander to them very well.

I posted a week or so that Klopp, as a winner, has to compromise with that outlook if he wants to fit in with his bosses. FSG (either at the Red Sox or LFC) want success, but they also accept that you dont win all the time and that it's ok as long as you remain a major commercial draw for sponsorship and broadcasting revenue etc. They dont see falling away off the top and coming back gradually as an issue. That's their sports franchise mentality. So that was always likely to clash with Klopp in the end. They have real problems in that organisation that go right to its most important relationship of all: manager and owner. If he had what it takes for Liverpool, a manager like Ralf Ragnick would suit them (FSG). Someone who works as part of a corporation that the club is part of.

Not sure about Gerrard and Clarke up there like. Is that right?

 

[Lapeno77]

That lad really is a tosser.

BTW, would you wear a red shirt with the Everton badge on it?

Southall Rotterdam retro shirt?

 

[Seathestars]

My apologies mate for not being a good enough Evertonian to realise those trophies mean nothing and our relegation fights and 7th place titles are the envy of the division. Didn't realise! lol Us!

You named by number exactly what they’ve won, me personally, being a blue, wouldn’t have a clue except to say they’ve won a few trophies in the last 30 years.
Your number crunching comment was passive aggressive, Bullens Rd!

 

[chrismpw]

Ban them,burn the stadium down and declare them a terrorist organisation

What this bonehead and his fellow sociopathic knuckle-draggers don't understand is that this sort of crap won't help Klopp. He's lost his mum. Football, Liverpool and the fans are an irrelevance to him right now because life and death are more important .

 

[aazak]

Bayern paid Upamecano's buy-out clause, worth a reported 42.5m euros (£38m).

Not joining till end of season.