ECHO Comment: "Fears of Witch-hunt Against Liverpool FC" part 2

[Khalekan]

Steve McMahon on GMB said they would be upto 8 or 9 wins if they didn't get banned from Europe.

Some nerve that.

Words fail me.

Well, they don’t.

Ashamed of nothing sums it up.

 

[tommytowne]

Never really understood why this whole "we´ve got more fans than you" line is used as a stick to beat other teams with. They´ve won more trophies so of course they´ve got more casual fans who will want to go and see ´their team´ bring the European Cup home.

Easiest thing in the world is to never go to a game/pay hardly any interest until your team wins a trophy. Massive shrug of the shoulders from me if they´ve got more of those people supporting them.

Can't disagree in the slightest with your assertion they've got more fans because they've been more successful.
They've also secured another generation of young fans who've now seen a trophy, not told about previous victoried paraded in the city.
This is the bit that hurts if I'm honest. I would guess most of our young support comes via family loyalties. So in my eyes a trophy of any kind is essential for the young fanbase in an effort to maintain support for our club.

 

[Saint Domingo]

I honestly don’t think any of this bothers them. I don’t think they care about anything whilst they’re winning things and we’re not. They don’t give two sh*ts about our self proclaimed “nobleness and dignity”.

HOWEVER... I think there’s a fear there. A fear that we could get our act together like we did in the 80’s and push them all the way and even usurp them. Since 1990, they’ve seen united knock them off their perch. Arsenal have won leagues. Then came Chelsea under Abramovich. Now it’s Manchester City. There’s a weird affinity between the two sets of supporters at the moment but watch what happens if Newcastle get taken over by mega-wealthy owners. Soon the cries of “oil money” will be aimed at them and that “friendship” will break down. How many reds do you know who went ballistic and cheered like they hadn’t done in years when Aguero broke united hearts with that late winner against QPR? All of my mates went bananas. At that point, city were their friends, now they’re a mortal enemy. Because anyone who succeeds more than them is an enemy. They can’t handle it.

Any reds reading this would probably laugh at the idea that they “fear us”. And I could see why- we’re not exactly challenging for top honours or league positions right now. But what if? That’s the question which haunts blues- what if we could just get our act together? But more than haunting us, I truly believe that question haunts them. They don’t fear us as we are... they fear what we could be. Because being pipped to the league by state backed Manchester City is one thing. But can you imagine how they’d feel if it was us? Little old Everton. Would be quite embarrassing for them wouldn’t it? Now that’s a pretty big leap admittedly, but just wait and see what happens if we do start to get our act together.

To me this notion of fear is why they can’t just enjoy their victory this weekend without overtly gloating about it and rubbing our faces in it. Prince Rupert’s tower is the ultimate example of this. I’m sure they would counter by saying we revel in their defeats, which is fair comment. But between two clubs in the same city, there will always and should always be sporting rivalry. Enjoying the losses of your local rivals is perfectly normal. To me there’s an aspect of belittling, humiliation and downright bullying that comes from elements of their fan base in regards to us. The constant need to reference us even in their victories tells me this. They want to rub it in as much as possible, to lord it over us whilst they can because they don’t know how long they will be able to do so. One day it can all change. That’s my hope. And that’s their fear.

If we were winning stuff and they were winning too I genuinely don’t think there’d be any blues bothered. We’d be in absolute dreamland. Tbh most of us are now not even arsed when they’re winning stuff now and we’re not.

However, if we were winning stuff at the same time they were they’d be absolutely fuming about it, and if were winning stuff and they weren’t then there’d probably be civil disorder.

Personally I think it stems from having their greatest ever team in the 80s and we went from no marks to usurping them. That older generation of Liverpool fans can’t move past how good that Everton team was (hence certain users coming on here with player related names). They’ve been burned since by a United and now City and if it wasn’t for Istanbul they’d have probably struggled to deal with the premier league period.

If we start winning derbies, knocking them out of cups, winning trophies at their expense, finishing ahead of them in the league, they’d be dropping their ‘we’re not bothered by you at all’ act in a nano second.

 

[dannyboy]

Can't disagree in the slightest with your assertion they've got more fans because they've been more successful.
They've also secured another generation of young fans who've now seen a trophy, not told about previous victoried paraded in the city.
This is the bit that hurts if I'm honest. I would guess most of our young support comes via family loyalties. So in my eyes a trophy of any kind is essential for the young fanbase in an effort to maintain support for our club.

Right now, I´d settle for a win against them. You´ve got kids who are 9 years old who have never seen us beat our biggest rivals. Stomach churning.

 

[Jacob]

I will never understand how after 3 months of Klopp being there how any Evertonian was saying they didn't mind him. The guy is the biggest bell I've ever known manage them. That streak you mentioned is obvious to me. He's worse than Mourinho because at least Jose didn't hide it.

I didn't mind Evans, Hodgson, Rodgers or Dalglish, (he spoke well of Everton), Houllier was okish, Benitez is an inappropriate language. Get the feeling Klopp won't be there much longer either.

Spot on. Gerard Houllier was already versed in the football culture in the city as he was a schoolteacher here in earlier years coupled with the fact that he was more refined. The last two managers, both outsiders, seem to think its acceptable to be as contemptuous in their media soundbites as most of their supporters towards our club. Its unprofessional and disrespectful to the nth degree....yet says so much more about them than it ever could about us.

 

[Amw79]

Those poor penny-less reds. Winning games on character and community alone, without spending a single pound.

 

[Deleted member 38674]

Oops!

Total cost to assemble current squads including players out on loan

(not inc agents / wages / signing on fees)

City - £777m
Chelsea - £711m
United - £617m
Liverpool - £546m
Everton - £370m
Arsenal - £332m
Spurs - £303m

 

[Death]

Pretending to be an Everton fan on the internet over a period of months.

Is that what he was doing? I thought it was a guy doing a parody of a kopite pretending to be a blue.

 

[Saint Domingo]

Those poor penny-less reds. Winning games on character and community alone, without spending a single pound.

Broke two world record fees (by a long way), set the record for agent fees paid in a year, and spent more in a year in transfer fees than any team in history.

‘Klopp shows us it’s not about money’

Ok mates.

 

[Jacob]

Just watched the BBC news with interest as there was a piece on the 75th anniversary of D-Day and my late Dad was there with the 6th Airborne. The Royal British Legion has chartered a ship for the commemorations and it was moving to see the D-Day veterans recounting their stories, all smart in their shirts, ties and medals. Not a joy however to see someone's relative being interviewed very briefly....in an LFC crested training top. Apologies to anyone in the surrounding five miles who may have heard my language.

 

[Baines' left foot]

One thing that makes me laugh about them is when you see the photos of the parade there’s tonnes of topless smack heads on top of road signs, lampposts etc. Doesn’t matter if they fall and crush a child, just as long as they can prove to be the biggest red.

I bet there was loads of crushing from loads trying to get to the front.

 

[daza_1973]

If I could just make that into a banner and wave it on match days. If only...

Trump did the estimates for them

Or maybe Diane abbot

 

[brigadier]

Horrible to admit, but we all said last year how they had an easy run to the final, this year that can’t be said in anyway, to beat PSG, Napoli, Bayern, Barca in the manner they did, they did it the hard way this time - painful as it is saying that.

It's always difficult to win games when the ref gives you a goal out of nothing

 

[anton66]

Words fail me.

Well, they don’t.

Ashamed of nothing sums it up.

He totally ignores the fact that his supporters caused the deaths of 39 innocent people, who incidentally had a anniversary just last week. So to come out with a flippant, disrespectfull comment like that is sickening. K’off macmahon.

 

[Carlito]

Good God, try explaining to them that it was like a championship play off final and their heads come clean off.

The European triumph will always be shadowed by the fact that you were not even the best team in your country that year, let alone Europe.

Welcome VAR

You must be a bitter blue if you don't think that winning a competition where you can lose four games in 13, and then play Tottenham Hotspur in the final, makes a team the best in Europe.