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ECHO Comment: "Fears of Witch-hunt Against Liverpool FC" part 2

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davek said:
Liverpool in the last 30 years aren't a proper big club in the sense that a big club dominates, like United did or Chelsea did for a while and now City do. They are a big club because they as an organisation have used a narrative to reach out to far flung markets that goes beyond appealing to modern period football success. It's a maudlin narrative that's used tragedy and re-birth (and, of course, the odd piece of silverware thrown in to keep the pot boiling). That's how they've succeeded in pulling a lot of people around the globe into their orbit. Of course, being in the PL helps too. No one would give a flying one for any team doing what they';ve done if they were playing in the Bundesliga. So...

British colonial outreach + tragic history + rebirth = gullible third world fanbase.
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Like it or not, they're not just a big club, they're a massive club.... They own the media, they have a huge worldwide fanbase because people are mostly sheep wanting to be part of something, so they put on a Liverpool shirt and think other sheep will like them...or their old man was a Liverpool fan because he was a glory hunter as a kid... Most Liverpool fans don't even watch them regularly, but when there's a sniff of a trophy they come out from under that rock wearing the newest kit and whatever other merch they see...

No matter what Man City do over the next few years, they'll never get near Liverpool as a club.... They could win 10 Premier leagues in a row, but the one Liverpool then finally win will be a bigger deal in the media (and so the world) because Liverpool have the fanbase (and everyone can make money off it)
 

Izzy1878 said:
Netspend has to come into it surely. They've sold well to assemble that squad. We haven't.
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We have been starting for a blank canvas almost, but then again take Lukaku and Stone and there’s half the value. Go back over the years and the RS have spent spent and spent some more. They’ve had prized assets like Torres Suarez and Coutinho and then managed to get mega bucks for grade A garbage

They’ve spent the best part of £800m to win the CL twice and second place trophy 3 times. What an investment.
 
Jacob said:
I think under Klopp's facade of "Im just like one of the fans/Arent I cool and kooky" theres a nasty aggressive streak. Ive seen it in his interviews when he is slightly questioned about something. These latest remarks smack of hysteria...the verbal equivalent of his manic pitchside behaviour. In vintage RS manner, this disrespectful insulting gasbag wont be called out by anyone there just like the FSW wasnt brought to task for his small club insult. Stuff him... he'll be off if they dont get the holy grail next season
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chrismpw said:
Its a huge deal to those who follow the hype and for the clubs who are attracted to the money - but for me its a glorified european FA cup but with a chance to progress if you lose, or if you do lose too often, a chance to play in the league cup.

For those reasons it has no draw or gravitas for me. Bring back the European Cup, 2 leg for champions ONLY and i'd be all over that.
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The sports world is all about hype and money....the FA Cup became a joke because it has no prize money so the big clubs (bar City) no longer treat it as seriously, and the better championship teams don't really want extra games in a competition they know they won't win but could cost them promotion....the Champions league has money and prestige... You mightnt like the format, but it's still the big one to win..
 

N.S.N.O. said:
The sports world is all about hype and money....the FA Cup became a joke because it has no prize money so the big clubs (bar City) no longer treat it as seriously, and the better championship teams don't really want extra games in a competition they know they won't win but could cost them promotion....the Champions league has money and prestige... You mightnt like the format, but it's still the big one to win..
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Not for me it ain't. To me the prestige is to win something that gas a great longstanding history and tradition and adding your name to an immense list.

No point winning a new plastic competition.
 
7 pages devoted to Liverpool in Telegraph Sport today. Just a normal Monday edition. (Including: reporter Chris Bascombe - rabid Liverpool supporter, and Jamie Carragher ex Liverpool player.)
 
Is there a thread about the RS’s Buddha who was performing in front of a packed crowd before the CL final?

I always thought you had to be weird to support the RS but jeez that goes much further than weird!
 
N.S.N.O. said:
Like it or not, they're not just a big club, they're a massive club.... They own the media, they have a huge worldwide fanbase because people are mostly sheep wanting to be part of something, so they put on a Liverpool shirt and think other sheep will like them...or their old man was a Liverpool fan because he was a glory hunter as a kid... Most Liverpool fans don't even watch them regularly, but when there's a sniff of a trophy they come out from under that rock wearing the newest kit and whatever other merch they see...

No matter what Man City do over the next few years, they'll never get near Liverpool as a club.... They could win 10 Premier leagues in a row, but the one Liverpool then finally win will be a bigger deal in the media (and so the world) because Liverpool have the fanbase (and everyone can make money off it)
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I do agree.

It is odd that City do a domestic treble and it's brushed aside.

Instead you have articles on how the RS almost won the league
 

kenada_blue said:
I do agree.

It is odd that City do a domestic treble and it's brushed aside.

Instead you have articles on how the RS almost won the league
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Its not odd, nor unusual. Its annoying, but its the same as asking why Macdonalds spend more on advertising in the USA than they do in Greenland. Cos these days, newspapers and websites are magnets for clicks/cash.
 
The RS have without doubt succeeded in shaping the narrative that sees them portrayed as the underdog, a community club, one funded organically rather than being a massive commercial entity. The only conclusion to draw is that happens because of the very disproportionate number of them in the media, as no group of people could otherwise carry out such strategy to perfection.

At a general level, there is some moral distaste at the obscene money in football, it isn't that the man in the street draws a distinction between the sort of financial doping that Man City/Chelsea have had, and clubs like Liverpool/Utd, but they have the advantage of being seen as the traditional big clubs, that were around before Sky (re-)invented football, Liverpool have a sort of working class thing tagged on, whereas Utd were always more of a glamour club.

So like anything else, its sheer force of numbers that sets the media agenda, they can have it both ways, Hillsborough is exploited to the full by many of them to portray an almost war-like sacrifice against everyone other them themselves, whilst Heysel is in these days barely even a footnote in history. It is, to quote the phrase, "An inconvenient truth", so inconvenient that it has been buried as a myth.

Unfortunately they are here to stay and in the near future, will probably gorge themselves on a few more pots.

That the second coming of this thread is on 1878 pages has not lost its symbolism on me. Perhaps, I, and us all included, should from here on pay less attention to them and more to ourselves. They have more than enough foot soldiers, gullible, ignorant, weird, and thuggish though some of them are, to do their bidding for them.
 
bullybeef said:
Is there a thread about the RS’s Buddha who was performing in front of a packed crowd before the CL final?

I always thought you had to be weird to support the RS but jeez that goes much further than weird!
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No believe me that will be swept under the carpet and will never have happened, we can't be allowed to see the media favourites seen in a bad light can we.
 
nsno-chris said:
We have been starting for a blank canvas almost, but then again take Lukaku and Stone and there’s half the value. Go back over the years and the RS have spent spent and spent some more. They’ve had prized assets like Torres Suarez and Coutinho and then managed to get mega bucks for grade A garbage

They’ve spent the best part of £800m to win the CL twice and second place trophy 3 times. What an investment.
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Exactly my point. They've sorted out the way they've been run. Selling players like Solanke and Ibe for a combined £35m is bonkers. Hopefully Brands is that guy to do something similar.
 

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