Dyche or Allardyce?

[granter79]

Neither.

If we can’t bring in someone who will actually improve us long term then we have to place faith in Unsworth in the meantime. In January we must spend big on 2 strikers and a centre back. By then we will hopefully have Coleman, Bolasie and Barkley back in the first 11 and we should be well able to pick up enough points.

I agree but think the fear is that we need to be winning games full stop to ensure we stay in the league. I know it sounds bizarre but we don't look like beating anyone at the moment and the last couple of team selections have not filled me with any confidence.

How did we get to this, very grim!

 

[Llyrap]

Even been linked with Allardyce is a low point

 

[blueblue]

Either would represent a major step back for Everton Football Club, being totally honest. Where have our aspirations gone?

You mean like retaining our CL status or winning cups ?

We have an inflated value of our status imo.
Yes, we are a big club with a big fanbase and a proud history of winning trophies, but in the ever deep past and every year that past is getting deeper.

At the moment I think we need to consolidate our position as a top 6/7 team and ironically that is not totally out of the question yet this this season... but more importantly neither is relegation.

 

[diggerdestroyer]

Big sam. Both are non spectacular managers in football style wise. I presume we would only consider these 2 when in the sutuatuon we are in nkw. Therefore for me its a no brainer. Big sam has proven experience at keeping teams up in desperate situations. Sean doesnt.

 

[brieverton]

You mean like retaining our CL status or winning cups ?

We have an inflated value of our status imo.
Yes, we are a big club with a big fanbase and a proud history of winning trophies, but in the ever deep past and every year that past is getting deeper.

At the moment I think we need to consolidate our position as a top 6/7 team and ironically that is not totally out of the question yet this this season... but more importantly neither is relegation.

Agree completely and as a club we need not just an overhaul but honesty from top to bottom.

Honesty doesn't mean disregarding ambition and high standards.

Hopefully the new manager will sort out the immediate problems and we can still be top half. That's tough but outside of the big clubs the remaining league places are really only about being difficult to beat and putting some run of form together somewhere.

I am very worried about our position but I'm not worried about our competition if that makes sense. Not yet anyway.

Moyes didn't seem interested in being ambitious. Martinez reached too far without getting the basics and Koeman, well he didn't care at all did he?

It doesn't go down well with some, but as a club we need to get from A to B together as a whole unit and look to build in incremental steps. We don't have the finance or pull for any other way.

Spurs seem to be a textbook example of the manager, players, chairman, and board all moving in the same direction together and at the same pace. For them its been a series of one good decision followed by another, on and off the field. They haven't spent buckets of cash either.

 

[blueblue]

Agree completely and as a club we need not just an overhaul but honesty from top to bottom.

Honesty doesn't mean disregarding ambition and high standards.

Hopefully the new manager will sort out the immediate problems and we can still be top half. That's tough but outside of the big clubs the remaining league places are really only about being difficult to beat and putting some run of form together somewhere.

I am very worried about our position but I'm not worried about our competition if that makes sense. Not yet anyway.

Moyes didn't seem interested in being ambitious. Martinez reached too far without getting the basics and Koeman, well he didn't care at all did he?

It doesn't go down well with some, but as a club we need to get from A to B together as a whole unit and look to build in incremental steps. We don't have the finance or pull for any other way.

Spurs seem to be a textbook example of the manager, players, chairman, and board all moving in the same direction together and at the same pace. For them its been a series of one good decision followed by another, on and off the field. They haven't spent buckets of cash either.

Exactly. Very well put

 

[The Blue Watch]

You mean like retaining our CL status or winning cups ?

We have an inflated value of our status imo.
Yes, we are a big club with a big fanbase and a proud history of winning trophies, but in the ever deep past and every year that past is getting deeper.

At the moment I think we need to consolidate our position as a top 6/7 team and ironically that is not totally out of the question yet this this season... but more importantly neither is relegation.

And it will carry on being so as long as we are happy with finishing 7th every year. Were someone like Spurs happy with being the best of the rest?

I don't care if it seems unlikely we'll ever be at the top again, if we do actually want it then we need to start acting like it and working towards it.

 

[Frang]

for anyone like myself who has witnessed all our games, the sooner we get someone in who can turn our form around the better.

I do honestly think we wont be winning many games until half way thro January, when we have had a chance to address our problems with some more signings to sure us up.

as we know, the market is highly inflated as it is, and January normally brings yet more inflation on potential targets, and with the current people still in place getting deals over the line, then we could well struggle to get these deals done quickly, so potentially we might not be complety sured up till the end of jan.

the next few months and the next few decisions will be absolutely crucial in Evertons season

 

[Joey66]

Neither!

 

[BrendanGOT]

This will be the biggest club, by some distance that either has ever been at. An 18 months deal for Allardyce reeks of it being a stability job. Which indicates what a mess the board think we are in.

I'd back either. One positive is, that they've left a lot of clubs in better places then they've found them and Allardyce annoyed England and the FA which is also a positive.

Hasn't most clubs Allerdyce left ended up worse off?

 

[mkrudden]

This will be the biggest club, by some distance that either has ever been at. An 18 months deal for Allardyce reeks of it being a stability job. Which indicates what a mess the board think we are in.

I'd back either. One positive is, that they've left a lot of clubs in better places then they've found them and Allardyce annoyed England and the FA which is also a positive.

If what you are suggesting is true, which I think it is, and the board do feel we are in a mess- I don't see the reason for bringing in Dyche over Allardyce?
One has done a good job in 5 years at Burnley but that period involved one relegation.
The other has never been relegated.
Has to be Sam.

 

[Armaghtoffee]

I agree but think the fear is that we need to be winning games full stop to ensure we stay in the league. I know it sounds bizarre but we don't look like beating anyone at the moment and the last couple of team selections have not filled me with any confidence.

How did we get to this, very grim!

Our decline has been unbelievable and awful that we are debating Sam at all.

 

[COYBL25]

Our decline has been unbelievable and awful that we are debating Sam at all.

It's only what we deserve mate

 

[Toffeelover]

No to Sam for me.

 

[e.cantona]

Allardyce surely.

Dyche is Moyes part II.