Duncan Ferguson - The Coach

[Disgruntledgoat]

That isn’t a popular opinion, but there is a lot of sense in what you say.

With regards to Ferguson leaving the club – I agree. He needs to further his career. Gerrard left Liverpool, and is cutting his teeth at Glasgow Rangers. He will probably return as their manager one day. Lampard did it at Chelsea, going to Derby and returning as Manager.

Ferguson will never progress to the heights most of us want him to achieve – not as part of the coaching staff at a premier league club. It very rarely works out that someone from the backroom staff emerges as management material from within the club.

Ferguson should go and manage a lower league team, if he has the chance. It is the only way he (and we) will know if he has what it takes to be the man where the buck stops. His interim role has been relatively pressure free – we expected zero points from these three league games.

I don't think he should leave now, but he should certainly consider his career in the summer.

It would be great, if we are looking for another manager, and we have Duncan Ferguson, having had a successful stint at another club, as an option.

What if he doesn't want to?

 

[tremont]

What if he doesn't want to?

Fair comment. It would be a shame, but his choice. It would also leave him in a position where he always has to rely on the next guy wanting to keep him as part of the backroom staff. If that did not happen next time, his stock may not be as high as it is now.

I honestly think that now he has had a taste of it, he may re-assess. Even stick around for another 12 months - working under Ancelotti will certainly do him no harm.

 

[catcherintherye]

I disagree profoundly mate.

If Ferguson had the impact you believe he had then Ancelotti wont want a dual power structure to emerge at FF that makes itself present on match days.

IMO, Ancelotti has to encourage Moshiri that Ferguson needs to take up a role outside Everton, and to take his entourage with him.

Root and branch work needed at this club behind the scenes.

I thought you might Dave haha!

I don't wholly disagree with what you say which is you want a new start. My question to you would be, have we not had 3-4 managers who have attempted to implement their own (albeit differing) styles on the club and ultimately fall flat on their face? To some degree, in order to be move forward do we not need some degree of continuity and connection with the last 25 years?

I've never met Duncan. However people who have, who I would trust speak well of him. Joe Royle speaks highly of him, Howard Kendall spoke highly of him (as does his widow) and perhaps most tellingly to me, Neville Southall believes he could manage Everton. Neville has never been one not to hold a scathing view on someone, he holds the club to the very highest standard. I'm not saying they are right necessarily, but it seems significant to me.

I think we'd all have to concede given the injury we've had he's done well the last 4 games against 4 decent teams. There has been a pragmatism that was necessary. I'm sure you will say that going forward we would need more than that, and that's probably true as well and why the club were still right to go and get Ancelotti in.

I don't like to make undue assumptions but you seem a different age to me and you can't underestimate the impact that has on ones outlook. My formative years were spent watching Everton escape relegation (but never losing to Liverpool). I've seen us go from relatively comfortable positions to needing snookers to survive on a number of occasions. What that does it leaves you with this anxiety that it could all go wrong. Even when we get Ancelotti a part of me still thinks it could all go wrong if we try to move too much too soon. So I'd rather we keep things as we are, even until the summer then re-evaluate.

It will probably be a controversial view but to me we need to incorporate aspects of what Moyes did in his early years here over perhaps an 18 month to 2 year period. Essentially build foundations. To me Ferguson can be a part of that. As a club if we ever get the a point where they are built, then we need to show more ruthlessness than we did previously. I don't see the sense in adding the ruthlessness from day 1 though, when to me foundations still look rather shaky.

 

[davek]

That isn’t a popular opinion, but there is a lot of sense in what you say.

With regards to Ferguson leaving the club – I agree. He needs to further his career. Gerrard left Liverpool, and is cutting his teeth at Glasgow Rangers. He will probably return as their manager one day. Lampard did it at Chelsea, going to Derby and returning as Manager.

Ferguson will never progress to the heights most of us want him to achieve – not as part of the coaching staff at a premier league club. It very rarely works out that someone from the backroom staff emerges as management material from within the club.

Ferguson should go and manage a lower league team, if he has the chance. It is the only way he (and we) will know if he has what it takes to be the man where the buck stops. His interim role has been relatively pressure free – we expected zero points from these three league games.

I don't think he should leave now, but he should certainly consider his career in the summer.

It would be great, if we are looking for another manager, and we have Duncan Ferguson, having had a successful stint at another club, as an option.

Exactly mate. He needs to go away and manage full time, because I tell you this: if the Everton job comes up again in the next few years, his performance here in the last two weeks will have stuck in the owners mind as one that started out with a bounce but ended with a whimper of a cup loss and as pathetic and drab a home performance as there's been in years. He needs to go out and manage elsewhere and add a few strings to his bow.

 

[davek]

He does need to prove himself elsewhere if he wants to be a manager. However, if that is the case he'd be daft not to spend a bit of time learning from Mr Ancelotti first, it's not often opportunities to work with the very best come along.

Ancelotti will see him as a nuisance about the club - someone who had his eye on his job. If it were me I;d want him as far away as possible.

 

[davek]

I thought you might Dave haha!

I don't wholly disagree with what you say which is you want a new start. My question to you would be, have we not had 3-4 managers who have attempted to implement their own (albeit differing) styles on the club and ultimately fall flat on their face? To some degree, in order to be move forward do we not need some degree of continuity and connection with the last 25 years?

I've never met Duncan. However people who have, who I would trust speak well of him. Joe Royle speaks highly of him, Howard Kendall spoke highly of him (as does his widow) and perhaps most tellingly to me, Neville Southall believes he could manage Everton. Neville has never been one not to hold a scathing view on someone, he holds the club to the very highest standard. I'm not saying they are right necessarily, but it seems significant to me.

I think we'd all have to concede given the injury we've had he's done well the last 4 games against 4 decent teams. There has been a pragmatism that was necessary. I'm sure you will say that going forward we would need more than that, and that's probably true as well and why the club were still right to go and get Ancelotti in.

I don't like to make undue assumptions but you seem a different age to me and you can't underestimate the impact that has on ones outlook. My formative years were spent watching Everton escape relegation (but never losing to Liverpool). I've seen us go from relatively comfortable positions to needing snookers to survive on a number of occasions. What that does it leaves you with this anxiety that it could all go wrong. Even when we get Ancelotti a part of me still thinks it could all go wrong if we try to move too much too soon. So I'd rather we keep things as we are, even until the summer then re-evaluate.

It will probably be a controversial view but to me we need to incorporate aspects of what Moyes did in his early years here over perhaps an 18 month to 2 year period. Essentially build foundations. To me Ferguson can be a part of that. As a club if we ever get the a point where they are built, then we need to show more ruthlessness than we did previously. I don't see the sense in adding the ruthlessness from day 1 though, when to me foundations still look rather shaky.

I think there's a time for consolidation at a football club - this seems to me to be not the time for it. We have to have bold moves to accompany this very bold move from the owner, because the fact is we are in a mess and pretty much everyone associated with the mess is part of the problem.

With Ferguson in the last 4 games you saw how bad the situation is, NOT how good the possibilities are with him in place. We could only get results and effort from players not tasked with actually getting the ball down and playing football. It was all emotive and no method. A club that;s got itself into that situation is in need of major surgery.

I suggest this: we have a world class manager and it's an opportunity to revolutionise Everton. If we allow the people who were part of the problem to remain we'll see a counter revoltion when the going gets tough...and it will get tough at times.

In short: sweep clean, and get this done as quick as possible.

 

[GylfiFerguson]

Most folk on here must play too much Football Manager or something.

Going on about poor substitutions as if they'd have guaranteed a victory if they were different.

The fact is that 99% of the critics on here would soil their underwear if they were asked to be the manager of Everton FC for a couple of weeks and have the pressure of thousands of people over analysing their every decision.

Fickle as [Poor language removed].

 

[GylfiFerguson]

Ancelotti will see him as a nuisance about the club - someone who had his eye on his job. If it were me I;d want him as far away as possible.

Yeah dave. I'm sure the feeling would be wholly mutual.

 

[Sverre Takleifbotten]

I think there's a time for consolidation at a football club - this seems to me to be not the time for it. We have to have bold moves to accompany this very bold move from the owner, because the fact is we are in a mess and pretty much everyone associated with the mess is part of the problem.

With Ferguson in the last 4 games you saw how bad the situation is, NOT how good the possibilities are with him in place. We could only get results and effort from players not tasked with actually getting the ball down and playing football. It was all emotive and no method. A club that;s got itself into that situation is in need of major surgery.

I suggest this: we have a world class manager and it's an opportunity to revolutionise Everton. If we allow the people who were part of the problem to remain we'll see a counter revoltion when the going gets tough...and it will get tough at times.

In short: sweep clean, and get this done as quick as possible.

When you are temporarily assigned the task of leading a team that is struggling, it is not the time to revolutionize the club. You need to focus on the basics and try to add energy to the team. In addition, you need some luck. DF succeeded in this.

It is now the job begins, and it has been given to Carlo. However, I'm pretty sure he's going to focus on the basics in the beginning. I think we're going to see a rigid 4-4-2 formation, and that we're playing at the lowest risk possible. Eventually he will probably shape the team the way he wants it, but there will be no revolution.

 

[Goat]

Rest now Big man, you did us all proud.

 

[davek]

Rest now Big man, you did us all proud.

1 win
2 draws
1 loss

Back to the cones.

 

[Goat]

1 win
2 draws
1 loss

Back to the cones.

Just like when he played for us, I felt better knowing he was in charge.

He got better results than any Everton manager in the last 20 years.

 

[Blueclouds]

He should stay and work under Carlo one of the best managers ever, the knowledge he will gain will be amazing.

 

[Groucho]

Best Scottish caretaker since Groundskeeper Willie.

 

[Death]

He just said today was a fantastic performance... Thank God he didn’t get the job.

It was his last game he didn’t wanna end it on a sour note. He is talking in contexted aswell that we have been dire and we would have most likely lost them 3 games against chelsea united and Arsenal. He’s proud of himself and he should be.