Drenthe ..sacked ?

[Christiffa25]

THIS.

We lost the semi not because Royston wasn't in the team, we just weren't up to it on the day. Simples.

Nobody is bigger than the Club.

And who could deny giving a young player who we actually *own* a chance to make himself a hero.

This...

Great experience for guaye. If hes needed in future cup games, big games that will of helped him masively

Dont know what ossie's problem is tho!

 

[little curly alan ball]

Compassionate Leave doesn't equal "Disciplined by Club."

It is what it says it is. If it was discipline, then why call it "compassionate leave." That just deceptive.

So now I've got to determine the real motives behind a club when they send a player off for compassionate leave?

I've heard it all now.

Like I said, Moyes should have had him available for the match. He didn't. BOTH are to blame here.

No . YOURE THE OIL-MAN , FFS !!!

It was ONE Company Whom Have Another , Mucho Respected Companies Employee , saying ,Shame it didn't work out ... Next time it may , ... oh, an' Thanks anyway ..

Not ; Get to Fuk , You little No-Mark ..

Its HOW WE ROLL ....

 

[Saliba]

I really wish there was a lot more transparency in these situations. Dammit, a player like Drenthe is what we needed, a player with Drenthe's attitude is what no one wants. My head says send him back/sack him etc etc. My heart wants all of this to go away and smooth itself out...heart never wins.

 

[davek]

TX Bill in full agreement with Davek shocker !!!

I think many of you are missing the point and then further bolstering Davek's point with your supposed argument for him being dropped.

If he was such a cancer on our team, such a poor influence, or frankly, just breaking the rules on a regular basis, then you get dropped a lot sooner than he did and don't make the recent match appearances he did. Moyes kept playing him. Why?

Yeah, I get it, he "broke the rules" as many of you are so quick to point out. Really?

Ok, then why wasn't he dropped awhile back rather than on the eve of arguably our most important match in years? That's what upsets me the most.

Leaving our most dangerous offensive option home rather than putting him in the starting line up or at the very least, on the bench wasn't down to Drenthe as so many of you have stated. This one was on MOYES.

The timing stunk and Moyes made the decision to leave him home. I'm not saying we'd have won the match with Drenthe on the pitch but as much airtime as this has received tells me that many if not most Evertonians would readily admit that we missed having him available.

Drenthe certainly isn't a saint but Everton don't have loads of skill players on the books who can turn the game on a dime. He should have been disciplined today. Not Saturday.

...but yeah, Moyes sure showed him who's boss. And he also let the players knows he doesn't take **** off of anyone.

Meanwhile, Liverpool are in the FA Cup Final.



*facepalms

Boom!

It just cant be justified on any rational grounds...not the timing of it at least.

There's the massive question of consistency of judgement here, and Moyes failed the test on the eve of the biggest game he'll face as Everton manager. It's been explained to me now that this was a "more of the same'' transgression, and that Moyes chose to seize on it at that very moment to come down on like a ton of bricks. If there's people backing Moyes judgement on this timing then they really need to step up and tell us why this had to happen with this particular transgression and not the long list of others he's piled up over the past few months.

Because I tell you what conclusion I'm rapidly hurtling toward: this was Moyes two or three days before the final with time to mull the situation over after the late show for training happened and time to make a cool enough judgement that favoured the organisation as a whole. He made the wrong choice to crack the whip at that point and it tells me

1) all i need to know about his ability to remain as Everton manager.

and

2) Moyes surrounds himself with yes men who offer him no wise counsel to consult with who could persuade him from shooting himself and us through the foot.


Of course, the tempatation for many is to jump on the 'Drenthe is a cnut...he stabbed us in the back' bandwagon...it's easier to sign up to that little movement because it feels good to act the part of the disciplinarian and it's far harder to chomp down on the alternative: that we have and will continue to have a man in control who cant judge cooly and rationally an unfolding crisis situatioon in front of him and make the right decision.

Make no mistake: this incident goes right to the heart of the problem we face with this manager. Its far, far bigger than this Drenthe affair.

 

[little curly alan ball]

Boom!

It just cant be justified on any rational grounds...not the timing of it at least.

There's the massive question of consistency of judgement here, and Moyes failed the test on the eve of the biggest game he'll face as Everton manager. It's been explained to me now that this was a "more of the same'' transgression, and that Moyes chose to seize on it at that very moment to come down on like a ton of bricks. If there's people backing Moyes judgement on this timing then they really need to step up and tell us why this had to happen with this particular transgression and not the long list of others he's piled up over the past few months.

Because I tell you what conclusion I'm rapidly hurtling toward: this was Moyes two or three days before the final with time to mull the situation over after the late show for training happened and time to make a cool enough judgement that favoured the organisation as a whole. He made the wrong choice to crack the whip at that point and it tells me

1) all i need to know about his ability to remain as Everton manager.

and

2) Moyes surrounds himself with yes men who offer him no wise counsel to consult with who could persuade him from shooting himself and us through the foot.


Of course, the tempatation for many is to jump on the 'Drenthe is a cnut...he stabbed us in the back' bandwagon...it's easier to sign up to that little movement because it feels good to act the part of the disciplinarian and it's far harder to chomp down on the alternative: that we have and will continue to have a man in control who cant judge cooly and rationally an unfolding crisis situatioon in front of him and make the right decision.

Make no mistake: this incident goes right to the heart of the problem we face with this manager. Its far, far bigger than this Drenthe affair.

Agree to Disagree ..

Neither of us will GET the other ..

Swerve now ..

 

[ijjysmith]

Sorry but you can't let players get away with what they want.

What example would that show to the younger players?

Yeah turn up late whenever we want and still play in the important games! Awesome.

 

[Reidy's Bottle Of Grecian]

so if he'd played and had one of his 'not at the office' days, then it was brought to the attention that he had been stepping out of line and been touch and go over selection because of it, who would we be holding responsible then ?

when he's on form he's ace

the flip of that has been seen I'd say +50%

it seems to be out there that he wants to move into the gutter, almost common knowledge in fact, is this someone we want to pin our hopes on in such a game ?



I reckon we'll all be sitting back pinging the popcorn next season as he wreaks havoc in their squad, he courts controversy now at every opportunity so when he has 1/2 of the city hating his guts I'd say he'll be ending up in a lot more trouble.

Jose will sell him to that lot in an instant,
1. to get rid
2. to lump that lot with him
3. to give a clear sign that he will never go there

he'll probably announce the sale himself, saying that it is a gift to Everton supporters.

 

[zed]

Boom!

It just cant be justified on any rational grounds...not the timing of it at least.

There's the massive question of consistency of judgement here, and Moyes failed the test on the eve of the biggest game he'll face as Everton manager. It's been explained to me now that this was a "more of the same'' transgression, and that Moyes chose to seize on it at that very moment to come down on like a ton of bricks. If there's people backing Moyes judgement on this timing then they really need to step up and tell us why this had to happen with this particular transgression and not the long list of others he's piled up over the past few months.

Because I tell you what conclusion I'm rapidly hurtling toward: this was Moyes two or three days before the final with time to mull the situation over after the late show for training happened and time to make a cool enough judgement that favoured the organisation as a whole. He made the wrong choice to crack the whip at that point and it tells me

1) all i need to know about his ability to remain as Everton manager.

and

2) Moyes surrounds himself with yes men who offer him no wise counsel to consult with who could persuade him from shooting himself and us through the foot.


Of course, the tempatation for many is to jump on the 'Drenthe is a cnut...he stabbed us in the back' bandwagon...it's easier to sign up to that little movement because it feels good to act the part of the disciplinarian and it's far harder to chomp down on the alternative: that we have and will continue to have a man in control who cant judge cooly and rationally an unfolding crisis situatioon in front of him and make the right decision.

Make no mistake: this incident goes right to the heart of the problem we face with this manager. Its far, far bigger than this Drenthe affair.

also dont forget moyes sacrificed the anfield derby for the FA cup so why did he find the instant discipline of RR soooooo important. this monday morning wouldve been just about the right time to fine him a weeks wages

 

[nsno-chris]

Sorry but you can't let players get away with what they want.

What example would that show to the younger players?

Yeah turn up late whenever we want and still play in the important games! Awesome.

Totally agree. If SAF had an issue with a player prior to CL final would he play him??? No, he wouldn't set foot in Old Trafford again. Regardless of his talent, he is on £80k a week and is supposed to be a professional, what kind of example would it have set to a younger player...

I hate Moyes' **** bag tactics, but whatever happend to RR (whether he was pissed, broke club policy or turned up for training late) he ****ed Evertonians over by not being on the ball for the biggest game of our season, he acted like a cnut and basically said 'i don't give a **** about this team or the game'

 

[little curly alan ball]

Sorry but you can't let players get away with what they want.

What example would that show to the younger players?

Yeah turn up late whenever we want and still play in the important games! Awesome.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

BOOM !!!

 

[ijjysmith]

And flip it even further.

If it had been a player who probably wouldn't have made a difference (McFadZ, Hahnemann even Jags etc...) would you feel the same?

 

[davek]

It's simple enough really. There's no need for any heat to be generated in this discussion - just generating some light will be sufficient.

Drenthe 'shit all over Everton'. Yes, I accept his actions are those of a player I'd want to see punted too. No problem with that.

Drenthe has been doing it for months though. The only thing that changed (and presumabaly unsettled the situation for us going into the match) was Moyes choosing to change his policy on Drenthe's misdemeanours and freeze him out altogether. If that isn't accepted by all in this discussion we may as well just forget about it. If I was a player in that Everton squad I'd be thinking: "wtf is he doing this now for? Why didn't he bin him ages ago...why now???..I could have played for my Wembley place with a few outing s if he'd acted sooner."

Timing...judgement...consistency. I expect our manager to have those in spades. This one doesn't.

Drenthe was there to be used one final time if the manager so chose. Whether he would have changed gears for us and turned the tide when we were still one up or at 1-1 we'll never know...and it's increasingly not even the issue here any longer.

 

[Chang Elephant]

...and I get the idea that if he repeatedly broke the rules, then he had to be disciplined. But let's get real here. If it was repeated, I think I'd have waited a day and then kicked him to the curb.

The day before the FA Cup Semi Final against your arch rivals?

The more I think about it, the more whacked that decision becomes.

Spot on Bill, we're no longer a teetotal methodist church sunday league team. Big Man Davie's retribution could have waited a day, and for all I care he could have taken a baseball bat to Drenthe's head at that time.

 

[when i score we riot]

So Stracq isn't staying and Drenthe isn't staying and we probably can't afford the fee or wages of Pienaar.

What seemed to be a decent season has just crumbled completely around us now. Gah.

Any chance of europe, then?

 

[davek]

also dont forget moyes sacrificed the anfield derby for the FA cup so why did he find the instant discipline of RR soooooo important. this monday morning wouldve been just about the right time to fine him a weeks wages

...as I say: timing..judgement...consistency.